best club in the world?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by soccerchick584, Oct 1, 2003.

  1. Parkhead_Faithful

    Parkhead_Faithful New Member

    Dec 19, 2001
    Glasgow,Scotland
    Pulled a chelsea?
    Ferguson built man U into what they are now from the ground up.
     
  2. Milos

    Milos Member+

    Sep 6, 2003
    Iacon
    Club:
    Coventry City FC
    Coventry, because we like to pretend we're no good
     
  3. soccerchick584

    soccerchick584 New Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Tennessee
    And you're very good at it, too.
     
  4. soccerchick584

    soccerchick584 New Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Tennessee
    Coventry has an okay squad though. I'm just messing with you Milos.
     
  5. bkn0528

    bkn0528 Member

    Aug 2, 2003
    nyc
    this is a great question, but one that's really difficult if not impossible to answer. Those who are arguing over the dominance of Manchester United vs. Arsenal are missing the point of the thread (and by the way it seems the Premiership is now a three horse race). Dominating your domsetic league does not make you the best club in the world, it makes you the best club in your domestic league. The champion's league is the highest stage of international competition for clubs in Europe, and Real Madrid have won three out of the last six, every other year. That speaks for itself. As for South American teams, well, they don't get to play European teams in competitive matches beyond the Intercontinental Cup, so it's difficult to compare them, although I would say anybody who thinks there's a South American side that's better than Madrid ought to see a neurologist because they must have a tumor in their frontal lobes.
     
  6. greatscott

    greatscott Member+

    Dec 21, 2002
    Richmond
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    while we're at it, the best team in the world is DC United...
    Why? you ask. because Scott said so. And I am Great Scott which means that all you swine are inferior. Bring me the finest meats and cheeses to the clubhouse.
     
  7. footie guy

    footie guy New Member

    Oct 2, 2003
    London
    that's even dumber than me saying arsenal is best in the world. dc united? are you kidding me?
     
  8. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Best Club in the World? We'll Find out come December in Tokyo when Boca Plays Milan.
     
  9. bkn0528

    bkn0528 Member

    Aug 2, 2003
    nyc
    my money's on Milan, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Boca win. too bad somebody didn't talk Abramovich into spending his billions on buying the unused Concordes and using them to shuttle around teams from Europe and South America for a world champions league.
     
  10. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When 6 of the best players in the world from 5 of the best soccer playing countries in the world want to play for REAL MADRID, that should answer your question.

    Brasil - Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos
    Portugal - Figo
    Spain - Raul
    France - Zidane
    England - Beckham
     
  11. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    On Paper maybe, But you ever heard the saying "Once conta Once"???

    Milan Vs. Boca, come December will decide.
     
  12. soccerchick584

    soccerchick584 New Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Tennessee
    I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Why are Boca and Milan playing?
     
  13. bkn0528

    bkn0528 Member

    Aug 2, 2003
    nyc
    Last year's Copa Libertadores winner vs. last year's Champion's League Winner = Intercontinental Cup, held yearly in Japan.
     
  14. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The tournament started in 1960. It' played every December in Tokyo. This has been the only true way to decide the World Club Championship for the last 42 years. FIfa Tried to get a mini tournament from all the Confed Champs but it too long and meaningless. iF it ever does happen, 99% chance that Europe and SA will send second and third replacements to play. South Americans have dominated this Tournament and I believe that Boca Juniors will win it.
     
  15. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    http://www.toyotacup.com/
     
  16. Harry Ottis Guff

    Harry Ottis Guff BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 2, 2003
    Im gonna slap you!
    European clubs at least, dont take this game very seriously, just like the early season games between the champoins league winners and the uefa cup winners, they are not much more than friendlies!
     
  17. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I would disagree. Right now, South America has 21 vs. 20 for Europe... pretty close.

    The longest winning streak for South America is 5:

    1980 Nacional
    1981 Flamengo
    1982 Peñarol
    1983 Grêmio
    1984 Independiente

    The longest winning streak for Europe is also 5:

    1995 Ajax
    1996 Juventus
    1997 Borussia Dortmund
    1998 Real Madrid
    1999 Manchester United

    Other than Boca Juniors in 2000, since 1993 only SPFC and Velez Sarsfield brought the Intercontinental Cup back to S. America. It's been a European show for the past decade.
     
  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    That is true. I was in Brazil when Manchester United defeated Palmeiras in 1999. Palmeiras arrived in Japan much earlier than United... United got there what, 2 days before? And when they celebrated they barely smiled.

    Bayern Munich's 2001 celebration was more passionate than United's, but nothing like the way Boca Juniors went nuts in 2000. Real Madrid's players also showed more joy last year and in 1998.

    Without a doubt, if Boca wins this year, you can bet the Argentines will not be reserved when the match ends. Ditto for Cafu, Serginho, Rivaldo, and Kaka if Milan wins (don't know how the native Europeans will react).

    PS: interestingly, if Milan wins, Cafu will win the title with a UEFA side after having won it with a CONMEBOL side (SPFC).
     
  19. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
  20. soccerchick584

    soccerchick584 New Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Tennessee
    So the winner of the Toyota Cup is widely considered the best in the world?
     
  21. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    At one time, yes, has Europe ever lead in wins?? What happens (95-99) is that Most Players from SA Clubs that win the Copa Libertadores sell all their good Players soon after to European Clubs. What you are left with is a depleted SA team come December. 96 when River lost to Juventus, River sold all their good players (Crespo, Matias, Burgos, Rivarola, Altamirano) shortly after winning the Copa. Juventus still managed a minimal advantage.
     
  22. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Funny, I had an argument with a English fan awhile back about this same topic. Maybe their is a difference between Europe and SA Clubs. Personally I would feel cheated and Disgusted as a fan if Boca didn't put out 110%. I don't care if they play FC Zanibar. They will show the world what Boca is about. Is it Different with Euro Clubs?? I Hope not and it would be sad. The popular SA Phrase " A Sudar LA Camiseta" is still alive. Does anyone know Why they started playing in Tokyo since 1981??? Because the Cup meant so much, Euro And SA teams would literally end up in a brawl. It got so bad that teams would refuse to travel to each others Continent. iS that fire still there??????????????????????????
     
  23. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I don’t know whether UEFA teams took the Intercontinental Cup seriously in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. But I believe that nowadays, European teams and players only care about their leagues, cups, and of course, the Champions’ League. National team competitions? Only the European Championships and the World Cup.

    As I said, United didn’t care much about the Intercontinental Cup, even though their victory over Palmeiras made them the first-ever English side to win it. Less than two months later, in the first FIFA Club World Championship, United was beaten by Vasco 3-0 and won fourth place. But United didn’t even want to go and didn’t care.

    As we all know, club directors in UEFA have much power and both UEFA as a federation and the clubs as well have voiced strong opposition to FIFA-organized club tournaments.

    You mentioned why they started playing in 1981. Well, it was burdensome for both teams to engage in such long flights, and since Toyota decided to get rights over the game, it became a one-match event.

    Brawls… Estudiantes in 3 consecutive Intercontinental Cups—extremely violent matches… Manchester United, Milan, and Feyenoord… the Europeans first saw how brutal some SA teams were.

    Juan Ramón Verón and Carlos Bilardo were part of those games and despite their talent, exemplified the very harsh style displayed.

    If I am correct, Estudiantes was the first modern precursor of “Bilardismo.” While Argentine soccer has always been very physical, Europe only got to see that in the Intercontinental Cup. It is no wonder that Bilardo later coached Argentina in 1986 and that notwithstanding Maradona’s skills, that team was seen as a bunch of enforcers—as opposed to Menotti’s 1978 team, a team that played physical soccer at times, but which played freer, more creative soccer.
     
  24. soccerchick584

    soccerchick584 New Member

    Jul 28, 2003
    Tennessee


    I think Man Utd win so much they've become immune to it.
     
  25. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No-one in Europe gives a toss about the Intercontinental cup. Everybody knows the best club in the world is whoever is most impressive in the Champions League.

    If Boca Juniors were in the Champions league, they probably wouldn't even get out of the first group stage. All the good players in South America, especially Argentina, always move to Europe as soon as they start to show something.
     

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