http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=260821&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_nhl Owner Jerry Moyes is expected to lose more than $30 million this season and has reportedly lost up to $200 million since he purchased the franchise for $120 million seven years ago. Wow maybe they should contact Ed Hale. Maybe with financial help from Ed they could field an indoor soccer team as part of an agreement. I am sure the Blast could beat them at indoor soccer but they could probably beat the Twisters.
I've heard this same thing about Phoenix and I've also heard the ECHL is real close to closing up shop. Two teams had now folded mid-season and 6 others are considering folding within the next week or two. What indoor soccer team will be the first to fold mid-season? My vote is ROCKFORD. Another question has Rubio had dealings with Madoff? I heard someone a month or so ago saying he spoke to Rubio and he has done well in the market down turn. Well them he a Madoff are the only two I know of making money in a worst financial mess ever.
they've got, what, 21 teams left? i don't know that that's "real close" to closing up shop, but it's not a good sign, obviously. i wouldn't be surprised to see lots of niche sports teams disappear in the next 8-10 months. we've seen it in the cba, we're seeing it in the wnba, minor league hockey, arena football. frankly, i'd be surprised if maybe half the teams in the three leagues we have right now aren't gone by next fall.
hey, if banks, automakers, real estate cannot hold up the fort what makes anybody think that sport teams are infallible This is all a shame and sad the world is crumbling all around us - people are losing homes, jobs, and unable to feed their families This is a terrible financial crisis we are in let us hope that 2009 brings a little prosperity to our lives because if it does not - sport teams folding will be the least of our problems crime will go up - theft, carjacking, - in desperate times, people will do desperate things you guys argue over which team will fold first while someone is out there trying to figure out where to get food
If Ed doesn't pull out maybe in 9 months we will have the birth of a new soccer league. The re-birth on the NISL. Oh I can't wait.
Although in other bad times sport teams are what survives - they give people hope and something to believe in when times are hard it was said best in field of dreams: The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again. Ohhhhhhhh, people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come.
yeah, that's baseball. which is popular. our sport is much more fragile than that. fdr ain't gonna say 'go ahead and play indoor soccer during the war.'
well, these are different times with more options again, we can only pray that 2009 becomes a little bit more lucrative than 2008 We can hope that things get better - that people get their jobs back or get new jobs or that people can feed their families and go out and attend a sporting event at the sport that they prefer Let's hope people have those choices I know I sound like a preacher but I am very much a caring people person and hope that things get better and the world can live in harmony and yes I was born in the 60's - peace love dope
The NHL and hockey as a whole has some problems. I don't know about 6 ECHL teams folding immenently but its tough. You will see re-location shortly. Very shortly. As in before the Stanley Cup finals. I spend 20 years in hockey and can think of 3 candidates that could go soon and another 3 that are just plain shaky. The problem is a number of owners are leveraged to the point of needing to sell. They can't without relocation. KC, Houston, Vegas, Winnipeg are all happy to take a team. Problem is after KC nobody is offering real money. Nobody, no sport, no team is safe right now. I hope all of us on this board keep their jobs this year. Its that bad.
Toronto2 or Hamilton Forgot T2 or Hamilton. As long as people keep buying Blackberry phones Jim Balsille will want a Toronto2 or Hamilton.
It was actually 3 as a player, 7 in Europe with Sky Sports, DSF and Eurosport and 13 as a front office guy in the US and Canada. Now I'm doing some p/t consulting too, went to Sarasota recently to see if the Gulf Coast Swords disaster could be figured out, it can't. But who's counting.
now it's 23 years! when did you have time to serve in the war? and work in rugby? and kill hitler? and invent the macbook? and lead lewis and clark on their expedition? the world's most interesting man isn't in the dos eqquis commercials, i tell you that.
I didn't kill Hitler............that was suicide, this Soviet Unit called Smersh had him surronded and................oh well. The hockey isn't a continuous span. I'm an old man, frankly I don't give a hoot if you don't believe me. Look me up in hockeydb.com if you're so inclined, or google me and Sky Sports, or google me and Harlequins RFU..... or don't. See after many years on this mortal coil I don't need to justify my actions or serving my country to some guy who calls himself Phil Cheesecake.
cheesesteak, asshat. not asking you to justify it. just to be truthful and consistent. because, quite frankly, after many years on this mortal coil reading you pontificate and talk about all your experience without once backing it up, i still feel a need to tell you you're full of shit and you embellish the hell out of your experience.
And yet, this same week last year we had 3,000 teams playing indoor soccer at our facilities, and this year we have 3,700. 300 of those are new facilities we have acquired this year and 400 are head to head with the same facilities that we owned last year. This week we will play 400 more games than we played the same week last year and 300 of the 400 increase will be head to head versus same facilities we owned last year. I doubt we've had in our entire history a better increase in teams and games than we have had last year and this year. I was born in the 50's so not out to make peace with any competitors or love them or smoke anything. I wonder what might be making the difference in how we see the world today?
"Phil" isn't a random guy. He also isn't Don D'Ambra. Not even close. He's not even from Philly. He has seen Don D'Ambra play though. Probably a number of times.
well ok, there are more teams and more games but where is the public attending these games? In all these threads people keep talking about how attendance is so important and which team has the most or least and that attendance is down here & there and this team and that team are not going to make it because they have low attendance ok, you speak of more teams and more games - there are more people in the world, in case you have not noticed we are in a J curve in population so yes there are more players or people that want to play but the rest of the world who have to go & pay to see those games do not have the money to do so People in general are poor right now and do not have extra funds to take their families to see a game and drop 50 to 100 bucks to go out let us hope that our new president and the government can turn that around and people will not lose houses and will be able to feed their families look at how many companies are folding and laying off employees etc etc etc etc So my statement which I defend is maybe more teams less fans because of less money God help us in 2009
I don't know that I've ever heard such a weak argument. We don't charge for attendance. We do charge the players to play and on average it's about the $50 you're speaking of. So last year we had 3,000 teams and even if we didn't add in the new facilities we're up 400 teams. That's about 13%. You telling me we had an average of a 13% population increase in Shreveport, Wichita, Houston, Austin, San Diego, Denver, Colorado Springs, Oklahoma City, Boise, Salt Lake City, Provo, and Ogden? Three or four of those cities have one or two more competitors than they had last year and we're still up on average 13% and last year we were up 12% from the year before. So your argument is that the population has increased by 25% over the last two years and that's what accounts for our increase. That's what you want to defend.