PSV=Anti-Semities...is that True?

Well the Dutch openly supported Hitler during WW2. Despite their "claims" of tolerance they're still about 50 years behind the US when it comes to racial and religious tolerence.

 

The reason why other teams supporters may be antisemitic to Ajax supporters is because they call themselfs "the Jews". This can be seen on banners around the stadium, israeli flags, etc. I heard somewhere that other teams fans will chant antisemitic remarkes directed to the Ajax supporters. PSV supporters aren't antisemites, they just hate Ajax.

 

The references are more anti-Ajax than anything else but many consider these references anti-Semitic.

There's been a lot of history written about the above, and you can find it on the AjaxUSA Website.

www.ajaxusa.com


I do know that Ajax still remains the favorite football club (might even be more popular than domestic sides) of Israel.

 

True, Frieslander.

However, some people have never watched an Ajax match on TV or seen them in person.

 

Oh my, a yank who knows a bit about history, to bad its crazy history.
The only Dutch during WW2 were the colonies and those had other things to worry about: like the Japanese. Maybe you are revering to the, back then, former Netherlands in the 3th Reich if so; applaud your self, you made a stupid post. If not pad your self on the back; you made an even stupider post.

After a 5 day war the Nazis captured the Netherlands but it was more stunning then it sounds.
The reason why it lasted only 5 days is the poor defence of the Netherlands, they sat out WWI on their neutrality and were hoping/expecting to do the same thing again during WWII. But suddenly the first Nazi planes were flying over the flatlands towards the Randstad and besides having a poor defence, the defence also proofed to be terrible outdated. The age old defence of flooding the back lands to protect the important west parts of the country was good to stop the ground offensive but it is miserable in stopping paratroopers. The paratroopers conquered Den Haag to capture their prime target: The Royal family, but the Dutch ground troops recaptured Den Haag and the Royal Family escaped to Britain.
The war ended when the Nazi bombed Rotterdam to the ground and the Dutch capitulated when they were treating to do the same with the other big cities.

From this moment the Nazi gained control of most parts of the Netherlands and gave power to Dutch parties which were connected to the german nazi/nsdap party. And the first year of the war didn’t bring any changes to the average person. Hell in some parts of the country the whole wart didn’t change a bit, life wasn’t bad, remember by the Nazi standards the Dutch were equal (if not more) to the Germans. But short of the capitulation the Dutch underground was started and do preformed some remarkable missions, next to that many Dutch pilots flet to Brittan to join the RAF (If im not mistake the Dutch hold the best record for shooting Nazi planes).
Still there were 126,000 Dutch deportees and only 11,000 were repatriated, but they weren’t deported by the Dutch government or by reprensatives on the Dutch people. They were deported by Nazis.

And a Nazi doesn’t mean German.
I know there were special Dutch and Flemish SS divisions but like I said before the Dutch also hold ‘Arian blood’ and before the war nobody knew about the horrific deeds of the Nazis.
I ones spoke with a Dutch man who joined the SS, and was send to the eastern front. I immediately asked why he joined them and he told me (in short) that his family wasn’t rich, didn’t had much food and that apparently the Netherlands was captured by the Nazis a few days back. When the first Nazi troops came marching into his village the soldiers were well fed, blond and all around 1.80/90 big, they were like Gods. (of course this was the Nazi propaganda machine running at full force and ofcourse there were ugly soldiers but they made damn sure that those weren’t the first Nazis to be seen by the conquered people). As you can imaging they made a big impressions on the some of the young lads. And he immediately singed up, and was having fun, until the eastern front. Where the ‘slaves’ were treated like beasts (because those were less then ‘us’) I remember him telling that on a day they came acrose a Russian farm and check it out..., when suddenly a closet door moved he shot salvo at it in the shape of a question mark.. after which a dead 7 year old fell out of the closet.

A abruped end, but I realised I have beter things to do.



If you think I should have written more or made mistakes or whatever, buy a book about it. Dont throw such insulting statements on the internet when you don’t you know anything about it.

 

Would crazy yankee boy care to tell us on what exactly his idea is based?

BTW PSV fans are not anti-semites. They do have a very small (+-30) group of right wing extremists amongst them, but they are hardly a significant group. Until Arsenal came along I guess.

Anti-semitism is very rare in Holland.

 

No way that that is sarcasm, sarcasm always has a wink of humor in it. This was just plain old Texan ignorance.

Maybe this sarcasm... maybe its true.
I know, AFCA knows, do you?

 

That didn't sound like sarcasm.

 

Rutger,
That was a very nice story you wrote and I enjoyed reading it.

But that farker Stoopid FC has no interest in anything except to troll.

 

That's cool. Tough people who follow a great club that took a lot of stick being what they are and STILL won.

I purchased a book a couple of years back, the Orange one with Cruyff on the cover. It was there that I first read about Ajax being a multi-ethnic club.

 

Actually Anti-semitism is on the rise again. But mostly on the part of muslim immigrants e.g. morrocans. And it's caused by the controversy between Israel and the palestines. Young muslims don't see the difference between Israeli's and jews in general, they consider them all to be 'enemies'


Oh, and if crazy_boy was meant to be sarcastic he should use smilies......
If he wasn't, he should shut his face until he's more knowledgeable on the subject....

 

Re: Thank you everyone.

Finally some else who is interested in history, if you check out the slow chat topic you’ll find some brief posts about the history of the names (Holland, Netherlands)

Anti Semitic is just a way to tease Ajax fans, everybody here who follows football knows this.
If you are not familiar with this it can look a bit grim but it isn’t intend to be that way.
I don’t know if you saw Ajax – Brugge yesterday but if you did you could clearly here the F-Side (Do you know get the joke, Panic? ) sining “Hava Nagila”. An easy way to get back at the F-side when they do this is to make use of Jews situation. So Utrecht sang “Hamas, Hamas alle Joden aan ‘t gas”… hey it rimes and if the contents didn’t had so much weight it could even be funny

 

Re: Re: Thank you everyone.

1-i am familiar with the football basis but i'm not sure that really makes it okay

2-well it does and it isn't

 

Can't say it upsets me. Can understand why it upsets some other people.

I thought the Hamas song was mildly humourous. We make jokes about all kinds of terrible stuff. And a lot of people laugh about it. Is it correct and harmless fun for the whole family to enjoy? No. Do jewish organizations make an ass of themselves by actually taking it in consideration while (as always) releasing statements that anti-semitism is on the rise again? Yes.

So we're stuck somewhere in the middle

 

I have to admit when I first heard the chants of "hamas, Hamas" I found it offensive, in fact I still find it a bit disturbing - but I don't think any Dutch clubs are really Anti-Semitic.

Sorry I've been away, painting the new house and plotting the installation of our new floor this weekend. My first attempt.

 

I'm not all that familiar with modern Dutch domestic politics, but I do know that one reason The Netherlands became one of the most advanced and prosperous countries in the 17th and 18th centuries was that they had a culture of tolerance that attracted many of Europe's "outsiders," Jews included. The country is well known for being a beacon of tolerance and individual freedom.
It would not be surprising if anti-semitism is on the rise in Holland, as it seems to be in a lot of Europe. The ever-rising Islamic population combined with the left-liberal slant of European politcs that incites harsh criticism of Israel have seen to that. But I suspect that it is not nearly as bad in the Netherlands as in most of the other countries. France, for example.

 

I think the actions of the Israelis themselves have more to do with the inciting of the harsh criticism against them.

 

Yes, darn them for trying to save the lives of their citizens....what were they thinking.

 

Yeah, they're saving their citizens by killing innocent people, makes sense.

Hmmm, is that why those Israeli pilots didn't want to obey their orders anymore? Probably.

 

How does shelling and bombing the sh!t out of innocent palestinians protect Iraeli citizens from suicide attacks?????
That's the kind of criticism we're talking about here....