I understand this and that is why FSC is run by amateurs. If you are a professional at your job, such as a producer, you have proof tested every detail of programming you are responsible for, such as: 1. the competence and credentials of your staff 2. coordinating with master control on presentation scheduling, timing of segment, scripting and editing, back up programming 3. Voice over talent 4. Studio production 5. Research 6. Rights and so on These issues are NOT isolated to this season's programming. This has gone on ever since FSC (previously Fox Sports World) began in studio segways, voice overs, and just being a nuisance at interupting every Premier League and England match or highlight show this decade. They have tried so hard to look original, when all they have done is mimic SKY Sports with all their shows, styles and done it on a much lower budget and older technology and with amateur staff. Result: Great games RUINED by amateur productions. Let me say, I love that we have FSC. I believe FSC can do a great service for soccer in America by broadcasting original programming for MLS and USL, college soccer, youth soccer, women's soccer and many international leagues and games. But when it comes to the Premiership and England matches, the productions and shows are all done with professional detail and world class originality in the UK by SKY Sports and we should be given the full coverage as done in the UK (with American commercial segways ONLY). It's simple.
Have you watched a game on Setanta? They have the same rights as FSC and manage to let the feed stay after the game has concluded. In fact most international feed games on Setanta will show everything from pre-game, half-time, and post-game. I understand FSC need to get as quickly back to studio host to show the "advertisement" play of the game. I don't like it, but I realize it will never change. The idea of FSC picking up the SKY feed for Pre-Game, Half-Time, Post-Game/Wrap show will most likely never happen because it would reduce advertising revenue. Now that FSC is being rated I wonder what the ratings for Fox Soccer Match Day look like.
I loved Sky Sports! I went to England for a week and that was the only channel I watched. I agree FSC provides poor match presentation for the pre, half, and post games. Also, I mean no offence, but this is the only football channel I get and I'm stuck watching USL and College games sometimes! I mean atleast show re-runs of last week's premiership or 'big club' (Inter, Milan, Juventus) Italian games that weren't shown on the weekend.
Oh noes! What's a poor soccer consumer to do?!? I'm pretty sure Prem matches get repeated, and as for the Serie 'A' matches, look up the concept of "broadcast rights".
FSC just doesn't have money. They booked less than $150-million in revenue last year. For television - that's a joke.
This thread is based on a false premise. I've had FSC/FSW since 1999. It never showed the Sky feed for all the games. It did often do so for the mid-week games, especially for the Monday games. And, yes, it did include pre-and-post match, and yes, it was nice. But to say there was some era when this happened all the time is simply false. In 1999, FSW showed one game on Saturday. It wasn't live, it was on delay. If you wanted the Sunday game, or the then occasional early Saturday kickoff, you needed to pay pay-per-view. And the Saturday game had a very brief lead-in, which led to kickoff somewhere around three minutes after the hour, time that was made up with a shorter halftime. Setanta only provides their studio show to North America when it is being shown in the UK and Ireland. If the matches shown by the two branches of Setanta aren't congruent, you get the international feed. And it is worth noting that while Setanta used to provide fairly extensive post-match coverage in the Championship, it rarely does so now. And if we're going to whine about showing scores at the bottom of the screen, prior to showing the USA-Guatamala match on delay in November, ESPN2 HD had at the bottom of the screen "Adu scores first national team goal." It shouldn't happen, but sometimes it does. There are more matches available by more vehicles than ever before. That improves the soccer experience. If it has to be done on a shoestring, so be it.
Well was watching the Boca vs San Lorenzo game on FSC right now and the ticker came up, I managed to cover half of my eyes while the scores were scrolling then glanced down once these news bulletins started to show up and BAM it showed me the result of the game, One big long sentence... thanks a lot FSC for spoiling a game you are tape delaying, yea it happens but come on thats pretty lame....
Well, you're right, of course, and while FSC is the poor relation channel to SKY Sports and Rupert Murdoch's billions...there is still no excuse for rank amateurism, especially in showing the Premiership matches. Premier League games are all covered by SKY in the UK and so NOTHING is needed to be done to them for broadcast in the US. FSC does not need to waste dollars on amateurs like Nick Webster, et al..., who is the Nosferatu of American TV and sounds like a punter down the pub in the East End of London. What a twat! They just need to show the games in their entirety direct from the UK and when the UK switches to commercials, you switch to US version ads...simple and cheaper. It is FSC's feeble attempts to look original that is killing the experience and making one cringe at any pre-post game coverage. I mean, today for the Arsenal vs Liverpool game, the ball has been kicked off for a few seconds and this buffoon in the FSC studio is still talking before finally saying "let's go to such and such commentator for the 1st Half coverage...", then you hear that annoying shhh noise while they switch audio (they still can't figure that problem out in 2008), and the original commentator is already halfway thru his opening presentation about the game....just shut the f...up and switch to the commentary already BEFORE the KICK OFF
None of the games that kick off at 3pm in England are covered by SKY. They have a commentator (singular) doing the commentary, but there is no pre/post/half time programme. SKY will only cover two of the Sunday games as well. SKY also don't cover any of the games being shown live on Setanta. Also the big problem with showing a pre-game build-up programme direct from SKY is that in an hour here you might have 4 commercial breaks. Over there you have probably double that. You'd be cutting to adverts in the middle of people's comments all the time. SKY, as it happens, are just as guilty of "ruining" American shows when they put them on channels here. American TV series' are written with ad breaks in mind and will be written in a way so there are convenient points to cut to adverts, like chapters in a book. SKY completely ignore those at cut to a break right in the middle of scenes, and then have double-length advert breaks as the programme wouldn't fill an hour otherwise.
You have GOT to be kidding me!?!?!? Something as small as this bothers you!?!?!?! You're crying because you missed a few seconds of commentating!?
Funny thing is the dude he is talking about is that Scouse who created FoxFootballFone, and WSD....Nick Geber...
Um, no he's not. First, Nick Geber and Steven Cohen, co-owners of WSD, did not create Fox Football Friday (now Fone-In), Fox Soccer Channel did. They simply employed Geber and Cohen. Second, neither of them do commentary or match intros for FSC.
Does anyone else rage everytime they have that sylvania commercial on fsc (which like all fsc commercials is at least 10 times per break). "Experience the beautiful game in high definition" yeah i'd love to if only fsc would get off their asses and offer a high def feed. (sorry had to get that off my chest)
FSC Shows the same commercials... ProActiv (OMFG comes on EVERY break), VIP Communications, Vonage, IDT Penny Talk, Slyvania, Soccer.com/World Soccer Shop...
They have tons of english and italian soccer, and MLS during MLS season, plus highlight shows, big argentine matchups, an hour long soccer news broadcast nightly at 10, australian soccer, and tons of stuff I can't see anywhere else. Get some perspective. They provide all this stuff for a very low price and very little if any return on investment. I'd rather have FSC in it's current state than no FSC at all. Also, to clear up some of the misinformation in here, even in the FSW days sky sports feeds were a rarity. 90% of the feeds from back then and now use the international feed, which is set up and distributed by TWI a production company contracted with the league to distribute video to foreign markets. They provide english audio, and on a secondary audio channel just stadium audio with no commentary. There is no halftime coverage other than a repeating loop of highlights with no commentary or analysis and some graphic popups giving game stats. There is no pre or post game analysis provided with the feeds either. Sky Sports and Fox Soccer Channel may have the same parent company several levels up, but that does not mean Fox Soccer Channel can simply rebroadcast the award winning sky buildup and halftime coverage (which is rife with promos for other sky properties) for free. Even many real life companies that have subsidiaries have the subsidiaries actually buying services and goods from other subsidiaries under the same umbrella and this would be no different. The vast majority of the EPL shown around the world comes from these international feeds which are provided in a variety of video formats (SD widescreen, SD 4:3, and in some cases HD) and the local networks that broadcast them either feed the english audio through or call the games from their own studios in their own language. Quit your bitching and count your blessing that you even have FSC at all. In a country like the US where soccer is far down the entertainment ladder it's amazing that we have 3 channels dedicated to the sport we love, much less one.
They have tons of english and italian soccer, and MLS during MLS season, plus highlight shows, big argentine matchups, an hour long soccer news broadcast nightly at 10, australian soccer, and tons of stuff I can't see anywhere else. Get some perspective. They provide all this stuff for a very low price and very little if any return on investment. I'd rather have FSC in it's current state than no FSC at all. Also, to clear up some of the misinformation in here, even in the FSW days sky sports feeds were a rarity. 90% of the feeds from back then and now use the international feed, which is set up and distributed by TWI a production company contracted with the league to distribute video to foreign markets. They provide english audio, and on a secondary audio channel just stadium audio with no commentary. There is no halftime coverage other than a repeating loop of highlights with no commentary or analysis and some graphic popups giving game stats. There is no pre or post game analysis provided with the feeds either. Sky Sports and Fox Soccer Channel may have the same parent company several levels up, but that does not mean Fox Soccer Channel can simply rebroadcast the award winning sky buildup and halftime coverage (which is rife with promos for other sky properties) for free. Even many real life companies that have subsidiaries have the subsidiaries actually buying services and goods from other subsidiaries under the same umbrella and this would be no different. The vast majority of the EPL shown around the world comes from these international feeds which are provided in a variety of video formats (SD widescreen, SD 4:3, and in some cases HD) and the local networks that broadcast them either feed the english audio through or call the games from their own studios in their own language. Quit your bitching and count your blessing that you even have FSC at all. In a country like the US where soccer is far down the entertainment ladder it's amazing that we have 3 channels dedicated to the sport we love, much less one. Complaining about the repetitive commercials or pre-game announcers talking over the kickoff for less than 2 seconds is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
They have tons of english and italian soccer, and MLS during MLS season, plus highlight shows, big argentine matchups, an hour long soccer news broadcast nightly at 10, australian soccer, and tons of stuff I can't see anywhere else. Get some perspective. They provide all this stuff for a very low price and very little if any return on investment. I'd rather have FSC in it's current state than no FSC at all. Also, to clear up some of the misinformation in here, even in the FSW days sky sports feeds were a rarity. 90% of the feeds from back then and now use the international feed, which is set up and distributed by TWI a production company contracted with the league to distribute video to foreign markets. They provide english audio, and on a secondary audio channel just stadium audio with no commentary. There is no halftime coverage other than a repeating loop of highlights with no commentary or analysis and some graphic popups giving game stats. There is no pre or post game analysis provided with the feeds either. Sky Sports and Fox Soccer Channel may have the same parent company several levels up, but that does not mean Fox Soccer Channel can simply rebroadcast the award winning sky buildup and halftime coverage (which is rife with promos for other sky properties) for free. Even many real life companies that have subsidiaries have the subsidiaries actually buying services and goods from other subsidiaries under the same umbrella and this would be no different. The vast majority of the EPL shown around the world comes from these international feeds which are provided in a variety of video formats (SD widescreen, SD 4:3, and in some cases HD) and the local networks that broadcast them either feed the english audio through or call the games from their own studios in their own language. Quit your bitching and count your blessing that you even have FSC at all. In a country like the US where soccer is far down the entertainment ladder it's amazing that we have 3 channels dedicated to the sport we love, much less one. Complaining about the repetitive commercials or pre-game announcers talking over the kickoff for less than 2 seconds is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
They have tons of english and italian soccer, and MLS during MLS season, plus highlight shows, big argentine matchups, an hour long soccer news broadcast nightly at 10, australian soccer, and tons of stuff I can't see anywhere else. Get some perspective. They provide all this stuff for a very low price and very little if any return on investment. I'd rather have FSC in it's current state than no FSC at all. Also, to clear up some of the misinformation in here, even in the FSW days sky sports feeds were a rarity. 90% of the feeds from back then and now use the international feed, which is set up and distributed by TWI a production company contracted with the league to distribute video to foreign markets. They provide english audio, and on a secondary audio channel just stadium audio with no commentary. There is no halftime coverage other than a repeating loop of highlights with no commentary or analysis and some graphic popups giving game stats. There is no pre or post game analysis provided with the feeds either. Sky Sports and Fox Soccer Channel may have the same parent company several levels up, but that does not mean Fox Soccer Channel can simply rebroadcast the award winning sky buildup and halftime coverage (which is rife with promos for other sky properties) for free. Even many real life companies that have subsidiaries have the subsidiaries actually buying services and goods from other subsidiaries under the same umbrella and this would be no different. The vast majority of the EPL shown around the world comes from these international feeds which are provided in a variety of video formats (SD widescreen, SD 4:3, and in some cases HD) and the local networks that broadcast them either feed the english audio through or call the games from their own studios in their own language. Quit your bitching and count your blessing that you even have FSC at all. In a country like the US where soccer is far down the entertainment ladder it's amazing that we have 3 channels dedicated to the sport we love, much less one. Complaining about the repetitive commercials or pre-game announcers talking over the kickoff for less than 2 seconds is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
They have tons of english and italian soccer, and MLS during MLS season, plus highlight shows, big argentine matchups, an hour long soccer news broadcast nightly at 10, australian soccer, and tons of stuff I can't see anywhere else. Get some perspective. They provide all this stuff for a very low price and very little if any return on investment. I'd rather have FSC in it's current state than no FSC at all. Also, to clear up some of the misinformation in here, even in the FSW days sky sports feeds were a rarity. 90% of the feeds from back then and now use the international feed, which is set up and distributed by TWI a production company contracted with the league to distribute video to foreign markets. They provide english audio, and on a secondary audio channel just stadium audio with no commentary. There is no halftime coverage other than a repeating loop of highlights with no commentary or analysis and some graphic popups giving game stats. There is no pre or post game analysis provided with the feeds either. Sky Sports and Fox Soccer Channel may have the same parent company several levels up, but that does not mean Fox Soccer Channel can simply rebroadcast the award winning sky buildup and halftime coverage (which is rife with promos for other sky properties) for free. Even many real life companies that have subsidiaries have the subsidiaries actually buying services and goods from other subsidiaries under the same umbrella and this would be no different. The vast majority of the EPL shown around the world comes from these international feeds which are provided in a variety of video formats (SD widescreen, SD 4:3, and in some cases HD) and the local networks that broadcast them either feed the english audio through or call the games from their own studios in their own language. Quit your bitching and count your blessing that you even have FSC at all. In a country like the US where soccer is far down the entertainment ladder it's amazing that we have 3 channels dedicated to the sport we love, much less one. Complaining about the repetitive commercials or pre-game announcers talking over the kickoff for less than 2 seconds is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
No, of course not. That is one of hundreds of amateur gaffs made by the FSC production team. If you read the thread, the point is, something as simple as that, which can be technically fixed and then presented better is not done and has been ignored for years now. I want our original coverage aired because it's the best...that's all. Also, I want FSC, GOL TV, SETANTA, ESPN, et al, the more soccer coverage the better. However, I am not going to just accept the rank poor level of broadcasting, especially with the advent of technology, HD TVs, for my sport. This goes back to the days when local rec departments and city councils left the soccer community with the worse fields in the area and never cared to repair them despite all the injuries they were responsible for. Our soccer community had no voice to challenge this position. But now that we have 20 million kids playing and paying, and millions more to come from all these new 4, 5 and 6 year olds taking to the sport, the demand for the best fields take precedence over previously mainstream sports like American football and baseball. So new complexes and turf fields are being built everywhere. As a powerful growing soccer community we should NEVER again accept the second class citizenship we were once given. We should demand the best fields, the best stadiums, the best uniforms, the best shoes, the best balls, the best goals, the best TV and Radio coverage, the best refs, the best training, the best we can possibly get for what we pay for. Got the message now.
No, of course not. That is one of hundreds of amateur gaffs made by the FSC production team. If you read the thread, the point is, something as simple as that, which can be technically fixed and then presented better is not done and has been ignored for years now. I want our original coverage aired because it's the best...that's all. Also, I want FSC, GOL TV, SETANTA, ESPN, et al, the more soccer coverage the better. However, I am not going to just accept the rank poor level of broadcasting, especially with the advent of technology, HD TVs, for my sport. This goes back to the days when local rec departments and city councils left the soccer community with the worse fields in the area and never cared to repair them despite all the injuries they were responsible for. Our soccer community had no voice to challenge this position. But now that we have 20 million kids playing and paying, and millions more to come from all these new 4, 5 and 6 year olds taking to the sport, the demand for the best fields take precedence over previously mainstream sports like American football and baseball. So new complexes and turf fields are being built everywhere. As a powerful growing soccer community we should NEVER again accept the second class citizenship we were once given. We should demand the best fields, the best stadiums, the best uniforms, the best shoes, the best balls, the best goals, the best TV and Radio coverage, the best refs, the best training, the best we can possibly get for what we pay for. Got the message now.
No, of course not. That is one of hundreds of amateur gaffs made by the FSC production team. If you read the thread, the point is, something as simple as that, which can be technically fixed and then presented better is not done and has been ignored for years now. I want our original coverage aired because it's the best...that's all. Also, I want FSC, GOL TV, SETANTA, ESPN, et al, the more soccer coverage the better. However, I am not going to just accept the rank poor level of broadcasting, especially with the advent of technology, HD TVs, for my sport. This goes back to the days when local rec departments and city councils left the soccer community with the worse fields in the area and never cared to repair them despite all the injuries they were responsible for. Our soccer community had no voice to challenge this position. But now that we have 20 million kids playing and paying, and millions more to come from all these new 4, 5 and 6 year olds taking to the sport, the demand for the best fields take precedence over previously mainstream sports like American football and baseball. So new complexes and turf fields are being built everywhere. As a powerful growing soccer community we should NEVER again accept the second class citizenship we were once given. We should demand the best fields, the best stadiums, the best uniforms, the best shoes, the best balls, the best goals, the best TV and Radio coverage, the best refs, the best training, the best we can possibly get for what we pay for. Got the message now.
Drives me insane, especially since damn near everything else I watch is HD and FSC still looks like it did when it Fox Sports World or whatever. Don't play with my emotions FSC!!!! haha
Your telling me the highlight of your time spent watching to tv is seeing new and funny commercial every break?