Marshall turns up in Germany

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  1. DRWCrew

    DRWCrew Member

    Aug 11, 2003
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    MLS gets the transfer fee...we might get allocation money. Hopefully.


    Oh yeah...not even a transfer fee as he's a free agent. damn.
     
  2. Gman777

    Gman777 Member

    May 29, 2007
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    I agree. In my opinion (not that it matters much in this case) he is trying to leave too soon. They guy is young and finally had a big win in the MLS. I don't understand the desire to jump to a seond division team in Europe just to go to Europe....even if the team makes it to first division. It's like trying to use half my frequent flyer miles to get a better seat instead of waiting a little longer to get a full round trip ticket.

    As a Crew fan it would be sad to see him leave. He is a great player.
     
  3. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
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    United States
    24 is not that young by European standards. Their players do not go to college. "Young" by European standards is more like Robbie or someone who could still be on a U-20 team.
     
  4. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
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  5. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Actually, Bocanegra needed an appeal to get his work permit. But my point isn't that EPL teams aren't looking - it's that apparently Mainz is the biggest team who is. That ain't right.
     
  6. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    I can also see it from Marshall's view, though. In 2007 he was basically an accidental ball to the head away from forced retirement. In 2008 he puts together his best professional season, wins the league's top defender award, wins a league double, and is a free agent. I think many believe that at least another impressive year of MLS play would be beneficial, perhaps even leading to bigger payday, but for a 24-year-old coming off this 2008 season, considering he's free - he and his agent might think this is his best opportunity to make a move.
     
  7. bradd

    bradd Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Detroit, MI
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Well fact is that if the Crew or any other team went to resign him in MLS, they are gonna want a minimum of a 2 year contract. That puts him just that much farther out from taking advantage of his great year.

    In any case, I wish him the best.
     
  8. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's really early in the "transfer season" as the window hasn't opened yet, and German teams are not quite finished with the first half of the season before the break. I would expect interest to heat up as teams move into their training camps in January for the second half of the season. In Mainz's case their reserve side (according to the Mainz site) seems to have had a friendly conveniently scheduled that allowed Marshall to take part and let them get a look. I doubt that they will be the last. I know that Moenchengladbach is looking at Gooch for a central defender, for example, and I could see them looking at Marshall if that deal falls through. EPL teams will not be looking at Marshall at all--the work permit is too high a hurdle for him as he has almost no caps. Now, if he had a good spring season and gets called up, then they might look at him in the summer. That's why his best bet probably is Germany right now--unlike Italy or Spain, they actually do look at and play US players in their leagues and have done so for quite some time now, even though they can be really tough on them.
     
  9. serjfrmdahood

    serjfrmdahood New Member

    Sep 28, 2006
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    I definitely agree with flyer fan, you have to look at it from Marshal's point of view. I am sure every soccer players dream is to go play in Europe and right now he is getting his chance. If he stays in MLS he runs the risk of injury, so why not run that risk in Europe so there are no regrets for his career. I would love for him to stay but I will be happpy for him wherever he ends up. I believe Chad deserves much higher than a second division offer but like it has been stated before he does not have the experience that they might be looking for (USMNT caps). Chad clearly has the talent for Europe and he will go out and prove he can play regardless of where he ends up.
     
  10. Matt D

    Matt D Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    new orleans
    I seriously doubt that Marshall is even on 'gladbach's radar. I know we like to talk Chad up, but in reality he is not near the same level as Onyewu. Gooch has started in the World Cup and proven himself over a period of time in Belgium. Marshall is just recently deserving of national team call ups. Then he still has to unseat one of the starters to even be in the same discussion as Gooch.

    I'm rather confident Chad will come back. He should realize that his best shot at making the WC team is 2010 is to get to the point of being an automatic callup throughout the final qualification phase- and moving into the role of 3rd central defender (behind Gooch and Boca) and possibly stepping in if one of them isn't at their best. The only shot he has at getting that role is if he goes to the January national team camp in Carson and stands out as the best defender there.

    Moving to Europe mid-season, when most American players have show that they take the rest of the season to adjust, and missing the chance to get used to Bob Bradley this January, just doesn't seem like a smart move to me.
     
  11. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Califf, Simek, DeMerit, and Pearce all started out in lower division or second tier Euro leagues.

    All have gotten their USMNT shots while Chad hasn't.
     
  12. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
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    The amount of money he can make has got to be a lot more than any MLS team is willing to offer him. I would be that if he plays really well in B2 that bigger teams would be willing to make a move for him than if he played really well in MLS.
     
  13. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not Gooch. I'll agree with that. But I'll bet he's on Gladbach's radar. Don't forget, it's a place Sigi has connections (that's why the U-20's *trained* there in 2005) and they have always been pretty willing to try out foreign players from countries not usually considered soccer powers. One of the reasons Denmark rose in consideration in Europe was Gladbach, as the first Dane to get a real shot (Jensen) played there followed by Simonsen. Then there was Dahlin (Sweden) getting a shot and a recent captain was from Luxembourg--Strasser. Currently they have a couple of Israelis along with Bradley and Canadian striker Rob Friend. So, I'd be willing to bet that Marshall is on their radar.
     
  14. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
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    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    Entirely not true. Chad got his shot (even scored a goal for the Nats while not being able to do the same in a Crew jersey) then took a couple of shots to the head last year and was subsequently held out of the sport for the better part of half the MLS season and off-season with the real possibility of never playing again.

    Now that he's proven himself healthy again with an excellent season - and the Crew aren't in the midst of a playoff run to their first MLS Cup (during which a camp of almost entirely MLS players emerged) I am sure you'll see him given a fair shot by Bradley.
     
  15. mclip_66

    mclip_66 Member

    Mar 5, 2001
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Any chance we can get Landon to call Chad up and tell him how bad it is living in Germany and that he should hold out for a top division club before moving to Europe.
     
  16. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
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    United States
    Well Landon himself is trying again so I am not sure how well that would come across.
     
  17. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
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    I honestly think Marshall should go wherever the money is. He's already come close to seeing his career end because of the concussions. If there's an opportunity for him to go overseas, he should take it.

    He should go to the highest paying club that will give him playing time. Pro athletes have limited windows to make money, and he's gotta do what's right for himself. He's earned it, in my book.
     
  18. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
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    Maybe so, but I see that as being something of a straw man. If he stays in MLS, he'll IMO be much more likely to get meaningful time with the Nats. Is Bradley holding a January camp? If so, Chad may have to kiss that goodbye, if he's intent on landing with a Euro club and solidifying his status on a new roster.

    If he stays here, he attends that camp and knows he'll face few club v. country issues regarding future call-ups. If he starts getting national team call-ups, and puts in another solid year + in MLS, he may avoid a 2nd tier Euro club altogether, and end up earning a much bigger payday when he does go abroad.
     
  19. Nonesuch

    Nonesuch Member

    May 16, 1999
    Old Gridania
    LD tries to be a prima donna. If he tried that in the country that gave us Beckenbauer, it's not surprising that he got the bums' rush.

    Marshall is more mature player playing central D. That is a position for players who know they have to grind it out (except Beckenbauer.) If he turns up ready for the training session, and ready to accept the team selection, he'll do fine.
     
  20. eboe

    eboe Member+

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    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
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    Maybe the Germans will like naked cartwheels?
     
  21. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    While this does make sense for camp cupcake, it doesn't really hold up when you look at BB's defendes:

    For my money, here's BB's top choice Defenders:

    RB: Steve Cherundolo (Hannover, Germany, B1)
    CB: Oguchi Onyewu (Standard, Belgium, 1)
    CB: Carlos Bocanegra (Rennes, France, 1)
    LB: Heath Pearce (Hansa Rostock, Germany, B2)
    RB: Frankie Hejduk (Columbus Crew, MLS)
    CB: Danny Califf (FC Midjylland, Denmark, 1)
    CB: Jay DeMerit (Watford, England, 2)
    LB: Jonathan Bornstein (Chivas USA, MLS)
    Utility: Jonathan Spector (West Ham, England, 1)
    RB: Frank Simek (Sheffield Wednesday, England, 2)
    CB: Cory Gibbs (Colorado, MLS)
    CB: Clarence Goodson (IK Start, Norway, 2 (promoted to 1))

    Of those 11, 8 play overseas. And two of the MLSers (Hejduk, Gibbs) have history overseas (Germany, England, Switzerland). Bornstein is the only player who has exlcusive MLS experience who gets serious looks at the Nat level.

    Of MLSers who get looks.
    1) Conrad: (somewhat surprisingly) appears NOT to be in BB's plans.
    2) Bornstein: looks to have fallen down the ladder, plus LB is our weak spot.
    3) Hejduk: veteran who is probably a longshot for 2010, also benefits from Spector/Simek injuries.
    4) Moor: I don't really think he'd be getting as many good looks if Spector/Simek were healthy.
    5) Wynne: Appears below Moor on BB's chart, and may soon be going overseas himself.

    Point being, I think Marshall moving overseas enhances his chances of NAT duty, and if one looks at BB's picks, and where they play, I think the evidence backs that up.
     
  22. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    I could see Marshall trying out with a team in the Bundesliga, not its second division. If he does move on I hope it is with a bigger club.
     
  23. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
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  24. bobbybhoy1

    bobbybhoy1 Member

    Jul 27, 2007
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  25. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
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    United States
    Indeed. There's a thousand clubs over in Europe. At least one of them must be in need of a good starting central defender.
     

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