Most overrated club in the world?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by BadReligion, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. mr red

    mr red New Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    in yo sister
    yeah the bastards!
     
  2. steve hog

    steve hog Red Card

    Sep 21, 2003
    miami
    hartlepool are well over rated, everyone thinks they are the best in europe.
     
  3. RoverMax

    RoverMax Member

    May 4, 2003
    NYC
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arsenal and AS Roma
     
  4. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    I've really tried to resist stating the facts, but...

    Championships since Apertura/Clausura came into existance:

    1991-Apertura
    1993-Apertura
    1994-Apertura
    1996-Apertura
    1997-Clausura
    1997-Apertura
    1999-Apertura
    2000-Clausura
    2002-Clausura
    2003-Clausura

    1996-Copa Libertadores
    1997-Supercopa

    Yes, this year's Libertadores (and last year against Gremio) weren't fun. But, let's get real, they've done damn well over the last decade.

    As far as this campaign is concerned, it's been painful so far, but there have been loads of changes made in the club. Let's give Pelligrini a few more weeks before we hang him. Is that okay with you?

    I'm interested to see if the delay in the season is beneficial to the club getting its act together. The Copa Sudiamericana victory over Independiente was splendid.

    By the way...FREE ARIEL ORTEGA!
     
  5. allycks

    allycks New Member

    Feb 14, 2002
    Parma, Italy
    Manchester United and Juventus

    great domestically

    perennial underperformers when the stakes are highest
     
  6. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    fully agreed!
     
  7. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Shouldn't that be Arsenal.
     
  8. Fuerza River

    Fuerza River New Member

    Sep 24, 2003
    CAMPEON DEL MUNDO
    Are you kidding!

    River campeon de Argentina Clausura 2003!
    We lost to America de Cali yes but thats because we were battling both championships. We still made the quarters. We reload with talent every year and bring up some of the best players in the world. This apertura we are struggling but what can you do when you have an idiot coach who can't win with the most talented team. Overrated NO! underacheiving YES!

    Newcastle is overrated and we're seeing it this year! Arsenal seems overrated when Inter who can't score aganist anyone puts three in. Lazio is overrated and so is Auxerre. The list could go on and on!
     
  9. Gen-Max93

    Gen-Max93 New Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Most English Teams, ManUtd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds United, Arsenal etc.

    And when River lost to Cali in Copa Libertadores, didnt they get like 3 players sent off? I think they finished with liek 8 players.
     
  10. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    We are overrated by the media. However as a long suffering Newcastle fan we know that we will never win anything EVER. AGAIN.
     
  11. Tell me you your joking.
     
  12. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    United and Barcelona are pretty peerless in the 'over-rated underachivers' stakes. Although Barca's position in those stakes dwarfs United. Barcelona are a truly farcial outfit. They have one less European Cup than Nottingham Forest for Chrissakes! This despite a stream of world-class players throughout their history. Think what Cloughie could have done if he had had the likes of Cruyff or Schuster at the City ground.
     
  13. Agreed, Barca got my vote too, despite a fan of theirs laughin at it on this thread - but deep down he knows i'm right cos he never proved me wrong. Barcelona, for all the players they've had, all the support they have, for the size of the club have been pisspoor - 1 European Cup says it all.
     
  14. Jawz10

    Jawz10 Moderator

    Feb 27, 1999
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    AC Milan
    All of La Liga barring Madrid. They have some great clubs and players, but apart from Madrid have won virtually nothing at all.
     
  15. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Well if you're just talking about the Champion's League/Cup than yes I would agree (and it seems that's all that is taken into account here). But if you include all of the European competitions like the Fairs/Uefa Cup and the defunct CWC then it is a totally false premise. Don't let your bias show too much alright?

    EDIT: So if you are just talking about the European Cup (Champion's League/Cup) then let's look at this statistically.

    Italy and Spain have 10 Cups, England have 9.

    You say barring Madrid, fair enough then. The most diverse league would have to be England, they have had 4 different winners. Italy have 3 and Spain have 2 (to add some others, Portugal have 2, Germany and Holland 3). Now let's make this more recent. Since the 90/91 season Spain have 4 Cups, Italy 3, Germany 2, and England 1. In that span Spain, Italy, and Germany have had 2 different clubs win the European Cup. So what does this mean? Well Jawz says throw out Madrid and the rest of La Liga is overrated. Okay throw out both Madrid and Barcelona from La Liga, throw out Milan and Juve from Serie A, throw out Bayern and Dortmund from Germany, and throw out Man Utd from England. Really it looks pretty similar to me don't you think?
     
  16. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    ok you caught me, I was pretending it didnt hurt :rolleyes:

    ooh that's true too! :rolleyes:
     
  17. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    Sarcasm aside, I recognize we have been irregualr in la Liga but we havent been that bad in Europe, I mean a 4 years span without titles, yes, but we have been above average, and even achieving records like the record winning streak last season in UCL.
     
  18. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd have to say the New York Yankees because all they do is buy their talent...oh wait...wrong sport! Hmmm. Guess I'll have to go with Manchester United.
     
  19. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    as a spurs fan, i'm not about to criticize chelsea's relatively strong trophy haul over the last 5+ years. but i'm still not sure i understand why this is laughable. 'underachieving' and being 'overrated' go hand-in-hand.
     
  20. MikeyPez

    MikeyPez New Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Jersey City NJ
    the metrostars!
     
  21. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    How can any team or club be thought of as "overrated" if they win a majority of titles?

    Money doesn't play soccer or baseball. You have to know what the hell you're doing with it. Plenty of organizations shell out the bucks and fall on their faces. Ever hear of the New York Rangers?
     
  22. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    Auxerre overrated? I dont' think so. For the most part no one seems to pick them to win the CL or things like that. They have a reputation for being a club that produces great talent.

    As for Newcastle, they've had a very similar start last year and still ended up at 3rd. They're thin but don't underrate the powers of Sir Bobby! :)
     
  23. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    But if you are going to look at this statistically, you would have note that England were banned for 5 or 6 years at the end of the 80's when Liverpool probably would have won another 1 or 2.
     
  24. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Um......No, actually i don't think so.

    Underachieving = should have done better.

    Overrated = can't do better.

    There is a difference.
     
  25. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Well you can note it but it doesn't change anything. Suppositions cannot be taken into account here.
     

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