How would England fans (and press) react to Almunia getting a cap for England?

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  1. Chewmylegoff

    Chewmylegoff Member

    Jan 26, 2004
    London
    i agree to an extent, but if we want to win anything it means going through penalty shootouts, which means that, since as a national we can't kick the ball at the goal from 12 yards away, we could do with a keeper capable of pulling something out of the bag in such situations.
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    You can't really judge him based on that match. Not only was it a long time ago, but wasn't that the first match Almunia played in that year for Arsenal? Yeah... I'd say that's a tough spot for a 'keeper to come off the bench for the first time in six months.

    Besides, he doesn't have the be perfect to be England's #1. No other candidate gets as much big-match experience regularily as Almunia.
     
  3. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    to say alminia isnt on cudacinis level is laughable
     
  4. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    We've seen so little of Cudicini recently obviously, but when Cudicini was actually 1st choice for Chelsea (if you can remember that far back) he was defintely better than Amunia is now.

    To me Arsenal should never have given Almunia a run out in the first team, he's not really good enough to be a big 4 1st choice goalkeeper. The reason that Arsenal can't really challenege for the title anymore is Wneger's insistence of using player like Almunia who don't quite seem right playing such major roles at a big four club rather than splashing the cash a bit more.
     
  5. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Lehmann says 'Nein'. ;)
     
  6. lost

    lost Member

    May 24, 2006
    England
    not almunias fault arsenal cant win the league, no more than its reinas fault liverpool cant, or freidels that blackburn couldnt etc. the fact is if he is available for england that means he would be the only available keeper for england that plays at decent club, other than foster who is too inexperienced for capello.
     
  7. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    It's not Almunia's fault and he's only one of several Arsenal players in key psotions who you wouldn't expect to play so much for the other teams in the big 4. Reina, Cech, van der Sar are all players who's names are likely to be touted when talking about the best keeper in the Prem, only an Arsenal fan, a crack-adled Arsenal fan infact would put Almunia in that sort of group.
     
  8. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    so being about 4 points off united last year with almunia in goal wasnt challenging for the title?

    cudacini is one of the most overrated players ever, hes good at making easy dives look acrobatic

    almunia is decent, like cuda
     
  9. Timanfaya

    Timanfaya Member+

    May 31, 2005
    Southampton
    That's how it seemed to me. Did you think they were going to win it?
     
  10. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Not well. Foreigners should not be allowed to play for other countries national teams.....
     
  11. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Foreigners like Barry Hartgreaves.:p
     
  12. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    I'm a big fan of his....
     
  13. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gtfo Terry!! B.hartgreaves 4 Skipper!1!

    Oh..and I really don't like the idea of foreigners playing for other countries, I think players should be home grown..but hey, thats how things are these days so its time to accept that. They aren't going anywhere. If he's good enough, he should get the call up.
     
  14. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    freddy adu should be playing for ghana then
     
  15. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    well they led for alot of the season

    so it wasnt implausible
     
  16. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    I object to people playing fo coutnries for mercanery reasons, but if someone has a geniune and strong connection to that country even if they weren't born there (e.g. Hargreaves having Enlgish parents) or if someone geniunely decides to adopt another country and goes native then I don't have a big problem.
     
  17. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    half the time he can't even make the US squad...
     
  18. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    i dont get that, hes playing in europe

    so he should be in every squad lol
     
  19. three lions

    three lions Member

    Apr 2, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  20. Cappo Smiffy

    Cappo Smiffy New Member

    Oct 1, 2008
    London, England
    To expand on this a tad, what would stop clubs in Europe with stronger ties to their national teams manipulating the system to benefit their national side?

    For (a watered down)example:

    AC Milan scout Africa for talent, pick 5 star youth players from different countries (Liberia, Senegal, Togo etc) and sign them. They spend a few years in Milan's system, and then as they break through into the first team and sign their first major deal, a clause is agreed that they'll apply for an Italian passport to avoid work permit issues.

    What is to stop these young African's then playing for Italy, a bigger country etc whilst their smaller homelands go without their bigger talents? George Weah dragged Liberia up a level during his career, Adebayor was a major influence on getting Togo to a world cup. These players have shown a lot of loyalty so far, but in a world where money talks, what is to stop the above scenario happening and killing off the strength of the international game in smaller/less well off countries?
     
  21. Chewmylegoff

    Chewmylegoff Member

    Jan 26, 2004
    London
    there's nothing to stop that happening, e.g. eduardo playing for croatia (although i don't think the club actually actively poached him his family just moved there).
     
  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    If a European country was scouting in Africa it is most likely that the players they would like to take would already be in the national teams underage team.
    So they would already have strong ties to their countries FA and also most African countries are very patriotic and it still means alot for them to represent their countries.
    So if say Italy took these African players then they would have to be top quality to play in Serie A and if they were they would most likely already be capped by the respective countries they were born in.

    It's different when there is an overflow of talent though like in Brazil or Argentina to a lesser extent.
    Eduardo was bought by a Croatian club from a Brazilain clubs youth team and then went on to play for Croatia so it is possible but most likely to happen in leagues that aren't the strongest as they are getting decent/good players who aren't needed by their national team of birth at the time. So they declared for another country.


    As for Almunia I wouldn't take him and I'm still not sure it would be allowed as all the home nations agreed not to do it as Almunia would not only become eligible for England but also the other British nations.
    I wish the FA would come out and confirm this.
     
  23. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    He was moved to Dinamo Zagreb as part of a deal.
    Zagreb took a few young Brazilians, so you could say he was poached.
    Maybe not with the idea that he would play for Croatia though but he didn't leave for Croatia by himself but through clubs, agents etc.

    That's how agents are making alot of money nowadays.
    Like the Iranian guy who was part of the Tevez/Mascherano deal.
    They become agents for young Brazilian/Argentine or even African players and send them to Eastern European leagues and if they do well they own them or at least part of them so they can make alot of money on their big move.
     
  24. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    Italy seems to do well enough fielding a team of Italians.
     
  25. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    They did have an Englishman in their squad when they won the last world cup :cool: ;)
     

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