Attention Kmart shoppers - Transfer Thread

I just found it strange that Vela had to wait to get his permit, but Denilson just got signed and boom he was in England without one Senior National team cap. Even Man U had to strong arm the officials to give Anderson a permit. He must have an EU passport.

 

I have always wondered how much we tried to get Vela a permit over the last year or so.

It would seem to make more sense that if he is going to be loaned to Spain to just loan him there for two years and let him get his spanish citizenship and then it is all taken care of permanently and don't worry about the work permit.

As for Denilson, I maintain that his nationality was the primary reason he was accepted.

 

Anderson is Brasillian and Man U had to appeal for him. Was he 17 or 18 when he got signed. Cause isn't there a way you can sign under age players without going through the whole work permit issue(am sure i'm wrong, but someone should know).

 

I dont think we tried to get Vela that permit... and maybe Wenger felt it was best to send him on loan... and get the Spanish citizenship...

u gotta remember, Denilson was playing his first season, I remember he was on the bench for that trip to CSKA


the one thing I do wonder is when did we officially sign Denilson? it was announced on the last day and next thing you know, he an Arsenal player... did we actually sign him a month before?

 

You can sign young players under the exceptional talent rule, and what Terp was alluding to is the fact that its easier to get Brazilians as "exceptional talents" because they are traditionally thought of as being a nation full of wonderkids.

We obviously couldnt convince the labor department that Vela was an exceptional talent, probably because mexican youth aren't traditionally thought of as wonderkids - not because of his actual ability or potential.

 

but you usually have to get that on appeal... Denilson was just 'granted' that

I dont know... we could have just said he won the golden boot for the u17 tournament and won with Mexico, the tourney champs... I kind of believe Vela would have passed, but I dont believe we actively pursued it...

 

Anderson got his. He couldn't meet the technical requirements, it was rejected, it was appealed and he got accepted. That same patterns has been repeated for others.

It could have been the case with Denilson and we simply not know about it. Arsenal are terrible about under-reporting their signings, especially youths. They only just this month acknowledged that Pedro is an Arsenal player.

 

Thanks for the info, never knew about his.

 

I know he was on trial with the team before he signed, but i'm not sure exactly when that was. I think it was right after Sao Paulo's season was over in 2005.

 

interesting... never knew he was on a trial...

 

It's like he came out of nowhere, and next to William Gallas , Mikel and ,Kolo he's our most decorated player. Copa Lib and World Club cup winners medals.

 

Denilson?

wow... amazing... thats pretty amazing, lol... Denilson is that dude...

 

He also captained every Brazil team below u-19 or something like that.

 

That was he 1st and only season for them as a senior player, he played like 12 times according to his stats mostly as a sub.

 

I still don't know how we got away with signing Vela. FIFA rules are clear about prohibiting international transfers for players under the age of 18.

 

I will never understand that rule.

There are 16 year olds coming from Africa into europe all the time, some even under "transfers" with someone or some team in Africa getting a fee.

Yet Pato had to wait until he turned 18 to be registered with Milan.

And Barca's youth team was filled with people they brought in at U-15 ages.

 

here is the question... did Vela sign a pro contract with Arsenal?

not sure if he did...

Pato signed a pro deal... thats why he had to wait... all of those players you are talking about are offered scholarships, not contracts, from what ive read

 

So basically you can transfer as long as you aren't a pro. Then you can train and play in non-competitive matches until you sign a pro deal?

 

yeah... thats how Johan Kirovski became a ManU youth star...

from what ive read, you can sign kids from anywhere if its a scholly...

 

Didn't Messi play professionally for Barcelona before he turned 18?

 

Yes.

Did this rule exist when he moved to Spain, though? It was almost a decade ago.

 

I don't know the laws very well, but isn't it illegal or whatever for a under 18 player to play for a club outside his/her country? I know Adu couldn't play outside the states until he turned 18.

 

Yeah, but believe the story is his family moved there for "medical reasons", specifically his human growth hormone injections, and not for "football reasons".

 

he probably signed a youth contract or something and was then sent on loan and then came back and signed a pro contract?

 

Back to the questions about Denilson getting a "special exemption", I'd agree with the thought that it's much easier for a Brazilian to get one.

The real surprise is that he signed a contract extension a little later, before he had done much for us at all, and his work permit was renewed. That shows that the exemption criteria are not very tough, if had a chance to show that special talent, didn't, and was still renewed.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-underrated-denilson-signs-new-contract

He's definitely showing glimpses of it now, but not so much a year ago.