Give us back OUR CLUB and take your drink and leave!!

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  1. eintracht.19

    eintracht.19 New Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Toms River, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wir sprechen sie englisch, ja? And omg its been 2 years now can you people get over it? Salzburg fans have accepted their name and I've made this point before, they had their name since 33!! MetroStars was a rediculous name and now we have much better management. We have the money that we certantly didn't have pre-redbull. And to that devils comment, ******** you we can actually win. Last time you won the Atlantic? That's wat I thought
     
  2. stanleyt

    stanleyt Member

    Dec 7, 1998
    Harlem, USA
     
  3. NebraskaAddick

    Aug 26, 2005
    Omaha, NE
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see people all the time walking around wearing AIG advertisements. Your point is well taken though, that there is no separation between club and sponsor, and I guess that kind of thing only takes getting used to. Because I think we may see more of it in the future. This game has become such a business now, worldwide. One will have no recourse but to accept it and move on, because we've only seen the beginning of it.

    Stadiums named after corporations used to bother people, but now it's just a part of life. Red Bull does not represent any kind of drastic change in the sport. They're just getting rid of the charade, while everyone else is still pretending to be "pure."

    But the way I see it, it's about the sport first. If somebody gives me great moments to remember, then I don't care what the name is.
     
  4. Juan Luis Guerra

    Juan Luis Guerra Red Card

    Jun 11, 2001
    New York City
    Metrogo, it's not "my self", but myself. What happened with your English skills?. By the way, I'm a Spanish teacher. I dont need to know perfect English as you should know.
     
  5. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    What do you expeculate?
     
  6. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Many of the South American hispanic along with the Mexicans only follow one sport. That sport being soccer/futbol/football. Some of these very same hispanic MIGHT follow baseball only because of its popularity within NYC. THEY DO NOT FOLLOW FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL or HOCKEY. They could care less.

    While you sit there worrying about an overloading of sports in the media. They are hoping and praying for a team in Queens, most preferably in and around Flushing Meadows park. For these people, their life revolves around futbol and nothing else.

    Will the English papers cover futbol? Maybe. More so because its within the 5 boros, not like RB. Will El Diario, Hoy and all the other local hispanic media cover the team? HELL YEA!!! It would be instantaneous news.
     
  7. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Dont go by your experience with RB. They were HORRIBLE with their Hispanic Outreach and Marketing from day one. Forget about Metromedia or AEG. Same thing.

    If you want South Americans to show up and follow the team, you have to make them identify with it. Gear the marketing to them and they will follow. Allow them to support the team in the manner that they have been doing so since they were born.

    Let them sing, jump and chant in the stands. Allow them to stand during the game. Give them this and they will follow you all over the country. They will then begin to see and feel that this is their team and they will defend those colors to death.

    At that point you will start to post about how wonderful and dedicated the fans of NYCFC are and BLAH BLAH BLAH. How amazing it is to cheer alongside some of the best fans in the league. How TFC has nothing on NYC.

    Give them what they need and they will in turn make this team the greatest in the country.
     
  8. NebraskaAddick

    Aug 26, 2005
    Omaha, NE
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't get a chance to catch it, I was at work, but I hope they can squeeze in more coverage of it. I usually never get to see Olympic soccer, because they give preference to so many other sports that are going on at the same time.

    As for the other subject, I don't really mean hostility so much as I'm just trying to have fun with you guys. I actually do hope you get an MLS team. The more clubs in close proximity, the better, because it's the away fans phenomenon that will really give MLS a shot in the arm. I'm just as eagerly awaiting Philadelphia's arrival, and I will celebrate their entry into the league, send them salutations and flowers and whatnot, and then we can both hate them together. We can have something in common.

    This person kind of made my point for me. If there are "borders" all over the city, then how can you want a "NYC team"? That's not possible. I'd be all for an NYC division in MLS, which we'll see when pigs fly, but that would be great. I think we'd have one if MLS started a hundred years earlier, because of all the different "autonomous" neighborhoods, sort of like London. There is no "London United" or "London City" FC. New York would be like London, as each club would have their neighborhood in their name. I'd like to see an "Ozone Park FC" in MLS. That would be cool.
     
  9. eintracht.19

    eintracht.19 New Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Toms River, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that would be cool. fc flushing medows.
     
  10. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When MLS takes over the country and becomes by far the dominant sport, maybe.

    Until then, it will be New York something (if it happens).
     
  11. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    1. Deportivo Corona
    2. Club Atletico Corona
    3. Club Atletico Flushing Meadows.
    I think these would be better received.
     
  12. vflkirwan

    vflkirwan Member

    Mar 28, 2000
    North Jersey
    Club:
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That about sums up your sides arguments.
     
  13. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Good response! Tell me, what is it that's "transparent", and what's not working?
     
  14. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    no. 1 sounds tacky as balls. almost as bad as Real Utah.
     
  15. eintracht.19

    eintracht.19 New Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Toms River, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why in Spanish there's absolutley no reason. If there are names in Spanish there should be names in german French Russian Greek Dutch and of course, Yupik
     
  16. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    So you're proposing to have names in different languages for one soccer team? Like Zenit AEK Borussia Olympique deportivo Corona? I mean, your multicultural sentiment is nice, but don't you think it's a little cumbersome?
     
  17. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I like Deportivo Corona. Real Salt Lake is stupid because, you know, this country never had a monarch. In fact, you know it's like the whole point of our existence.
     
  18. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    wow. you learn something new every day.
     
  19. eintracht.19

    eintracht.19 New Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Toms River, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no I'm saying there's no reason to have names in Spanish. Im saying those languages are just as qualified to have a name than Spanish. We live in the united states where we speak English.
     
  20. wonko389

    wonko389 New Member

    Oct 11, 2004
    jax, fl
    I couldnt disagree more. Metrostars is a terrible name. Always has been, always will be. I always hated that name, sounds like a cheap ripoff of the Mets, and that was a stupid name when they came up with it way back when.

    When my favorite drink bought my favorite team and renamed it, I was in heaven. Actually I was out to sea and trying to catch up with the news, but it was still awesome. Red Bull at least seems to give a crap, and they did get rid of Lalas. You have to thank them for that, imagine how crappy we would be if we still had Lalas.

    On an aside, Rojas looks pretty damned good.

    And Deportivo Corona...as if we needed to give mainstream America more of a reason to think that only Mexicans played.
     
  21. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    So when you go to Taco Bell and order a burrito, what do you say?
     
  22. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Go Padres!!!! How about those Vancouver Canucks?
     
  23. otterulz

    otterulz Member

    Arsenal, Atleti
    South Korea
    Jun 20, 2002
    LIC, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. I'm not debating that.
    You seem so confident about these people wanting a local team. Northern Jersey has plenty of Hispanics living in or around Giants Stadium. Where are they for Red Bulls games? Yet when Barcelona came for the first time a couple of years ago, they made up a majority of the sold out crowd, with thousands more waiting outside trying to find a scalper that will sell them tickets.

    A team in Queens is no guarantee. Just because these guys love to play soccer every Sunday in Flushing Meadows doesn't mean that they'll suddenly be paying money to watch a brand new team that they have no connection with. And I'm not saying that it would never work. With the proper marketing and message sent, it very well could. But I don't think it's such an easy sell as you make it out to be. If it was, they would've done it already.
    True. I'm sure the two biggest Hispanic NY dailies would cover the launch of a new team in Queens or whatever borough. But the amount of coverage will only continue depending on the overall popularity of the league and team. If the team sucks, there's no reason for anyone, Spanish speaking or not, to come out and support them. You know how fickle fans can be. And the growth process for this New York team will probably take as long as Metro/RB.
     
  24. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I don't disagree with most of what you are saying, but you might be surprised about how much coverage the MEtrostars got in El Diario and Hoy. I haven't followed lately so much, but they used to get a lot of coverage.
     
  25. otterulz

    otterulz Member

    Arsenal, Atleti
    South Korea
    Jun 20, 2002
    LIC, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I used to work with both a few years ago when I was with my old agency so I don't remember exactly how much coverage they received. I do remember most of the futbol coverage were foreign leagues. Maybe I missed all the Metro stuff. I'll take your word for it though.

    But my point is that reading about is one thing. Going out and supporting the team is another. I'd like to think it would succeed and I'm sure it eventually would. And what Cosmos seems to suggest is that having a large Hispanic population automatically means you have your fan base. I disagree with that.
     

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