why should he consult the linesmen before giving guevara a red?? If you saw someone elbow someone would you ask permission to give a red card? By not asking the linesmen that just shows how obvious guevara's vicious attack on richetti was. he obviously didnt need a second opinion for what he saw guevara do. sooo..he went to ask the linesmen if he saw richetti do something first and the linesmen said.....??.... NO, i didnt see it.
TIZ.... You are missing the point... it is not what the ref on the sidelines should have seen what bothers people, including me...It's what he actually saw... he shared the whole thing with the 1st ref and this one ignored the facts provided to him. That is negligent and unproffesional. The ref messed up big. You adressed me on a previous post saying that I probably haven't played soccer at a good level... I assume, you were trying to imply that i don't understand the game. first of all, you don't need to have the skills to understand the game. it is not a requirement, to be skillfull, to be a knowleadgeable fan. But I'll tell you a bit of my soccer (on the field) experience. I have played at a competitive level, actually two former teamates (among the best of the team, but not the best) from my teenage years, currently play proffesional soccer in southamerica and have been called in a couple of occasions to represent the peruvian national team on worldcup qualifyers. I also have played here on rough leagues were brawls were fairly common. So i've played a competitve level and rough games.... Actually, I was lucky enough to be coached by an ex Barcelona (the big barcelona club in spain) player... after his profesional soccer carreer ended, he became, not a priest but a brother (like a monk i guess) and coached my highschool teams. He played back in the 50's i think. Now, regarding of what level of roughness take place in a soccer match.... pushing and shoving do happen all the time... "elbows" don't. that is why they make the highlights. That is my take on this.
TIZ.... You are missing the point... it is not what the ref on the sidelines should have seen what bothers people, including me...It's what he actually saw... he shared the whole thing with the 1st ref and this one ignored the facts provided to him. That is negligent and unproffesional. The ref messed up big. You adressed me on a previous post saying that I probably haven't played soccer at a good level... I assume, you were trying to imply that i don't understand the game. first of all, you don't need to have the skills to understand the game. it is not a requirement, to be skillfull, to be a knowleadgeable fan. But I'll tell you a bit of my soccer (on the field) experience. I have played at a competitive level, actually two former teamates (among the best of the team, but not the best) from my teenage years, currently play proffesional soccer in southamerica and have been called in a couple of occasions to represent the peruvian national team on worldcup qualifyers. I also have played here on rough leagues were brawls were fairly common. So i've played a competitve level and rough games.... Actually, I was lucky enough to be coached by an ex Barcelona (the big barcelona club in spain) player... after his profesional soccer carreer ended, he became, not a priest but a brother (like a monk i guess) and coached my highschool teams. He played back in the 50's i think. Now, regarding of what level of roughness take place in a soccer match.... pushing and shoving do happen all the time... "elbows" don't. that is why they make the highlights. That is my take on this.
Hang on a second...the assistants have to watch 2 things. The offside line, and the ball. I believe someone said that Richetti passed the ball to Cooper, and shortly after elbowed Guevara? I could be wrong about that, and I don't really feel like scanning through everything again. The point is, if that's true, the assistant would have been watching the ball and likely would have seen Richetti elbow Guevara as well. Depending on how quick afterwards it was, because nobody turns their head at light speed. Point being that it's entirely possible that the linesman did see it, and equally possible that he did not. Now, I'm one of the people who feels that the ref's getting too much slack. Oh sure, Toronto didn't finish (they did have a strong first half, afterall), and they do deserve to not-win. They may have deserved a tie, but at this point, I doubt that 1 point will be the difference between a playoff team or not. Having said that, refs are being paid to do a job. Giving a card to Velez for standing in the box was absolute horsesh*t. The card to Guevara, deserved, but everything other than the card is kind of suspect. It is tough to say what he would have seen, and what the linesman saw. However, it's his job to see what's going on, and if he missed elbows, then he's not doing his job. It's that simple. Yes, TFC didn't deserve the win, but the ref didn't do his job. If he did his job, would they win? Who knows? But he did rob them of the chance to in those last 15 minutes. For all we know, Toronto could have dominated the last bit of the game and scored 3 goals. Unlikely, but anythings possible. I'm not blaming anyone, because it was a game of soccer, and somedays, everyone can work their asses off and still lose 8-0. People snap (if I played soccer, I'd be suspended every 3 games for attacking a ref), Refs make mistakes all the time, and opponents usually don't just roll over for you. Such is life. But everyone must also be accountable for their choices. Guevara for his punch or whatever, and the ref for his bad calls. Guevara is being held accountable, by getting the red card and a suspension for the next game at least. The ref, however? All he gets is people on forums calling him an idiot.
The main problem I have with all the ref bashing is that it hides the fact that we've been playing like garbage for nearly 2 months. To me, our play and Mo's inability to make any moves are bigger issues than the standard of reffing in this league.
...as I said earlier in the thread....its not very often that one soccer play attacks another without 'some' kind of provocation. The ref really needed to talk to the linesman to see if he saw anything before making any decisions on the issue.
because cooper was almost a metre onside when ricchetti passed it there's a possibility the linesman could've saw it. ricchetti was very clever with how he disguised it though because he simultaneously struck guevara a millisecond after he dished it to cooper knowing full well the linesman eyes would be on the line like you said. that said, it's not the linesman's priority to look out for that garbage - that's the refs call. perhaps if guevara wasn't so blatant he would've got away with it as well. c'est la vie.