Canadian players

Discussion in 'Toronto FC' started by bigbeleafer, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. bigbeleafer

    bigbeleafer New Member

    May 18, 2008
    Do you guys/gals think that in the future TFC will have mostly Canadian
    players on thier roster? If so, how long would you say it would take?
     
  2. hodgkiss

    hodgkiss New Member

    May 21, 2006
    Toronto
    well their are currently only 3 on the senior roster but i would assume that it will only take time as most of our development players are canadian and they will fill shoes one day. i would surely bet that we will see some of them figure into the lineup before the end of the year maybe even this weekend.

    gabe gala shout get a shot along with attakora-gyan. hemming and rosenlund come in once in a while too.

    serioux would be the next move for me (perfect timing). followed by de ro and radzinski.
     
  3. Drexel10

    Drexel10 New Member

    Mar 7, 2008
    I think half our team will be Canadian in the 2-4 years. Mostly because of people coming back to finish out their career (rad, Dero, Srioux, DeGuzman) and more young people staying around now before going over to Europe (Will Johnson types).
     
  4. Citizen Ted

    Citizen Ted Member

    May 17, 2007
    Toronto
    I hope not. They're bad enough as it is. Besides, it's not a Canadian league so why would they have mostly Canadian players?
     
  5. 10 years off minimum, in my opinion. TFC need to get the Academy running properly from about the U-11 level onwards before there will be a generation of locally developed development roster players who will make a major impact.
     
  6. adammac19

    adammac19 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2006
    Sydney Mines
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think there is a lot of other things to look at. With the potential of both Montreal and Vancouver coming into the league it will thin out the pool of Canadian players. I think we are looking at a period of 7-10 years when you combine the efforts of the youth system we have in place and hope for high salary cap so we can bring back good Canadian players from the likes of Greece, Norway, Denmark, Swedem etc.
     
  7. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    It depends how long Mo Johnston is in charge. It also depends how long the fans, media and the team higher ups believe the lies he sells us....
     
  8. busbyboy74

    busbyboy74 Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    416 Proper
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Please explain the above comments.
     
  9. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    According to Mo (I'm paraphrasing here), we can either have a team full of Canadians or a winning team.

    Right now it appears we have neither. :eek:

    Most TFC fans don't give a fack about Canadian soccer so they just eat up comments like that. The media that covers TFC is so lame they don't really hold Mo's feet to the fire for his crappy job of running the team. Therefore I don't foresee any real changes in the near future.
     
  10. Pateau

    Pateau New Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Toronto
    A team full of Canadians would be pretty poor. Obviously you can't expect TFC to sign every player on the Canadian national team, so we'd end up with the crappy Canadian ones.

    I don't see anything wrong with Mo's thinking. Why would a team want to limit itself to selecting players from one talent pool, especially when that pool is very very shallow.

    To be honest TFC's role in promoting football in Canada is to draw more people into the sport. It can achieve this regardless of the nationalities of their players.

    If you think that TFC's role should be to recruit and train Canadian players, elite Canadian players would be better served learning their trade at European clubs for now. If we ever expect Canada to be competitive internationally then we need Canadian players to compete against the world's elite year round, not in the MLS.
     
  11. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    I can live with the team not staring 11 Canadians.

    I just think the current situation is an absolute farce. Mo is a lazy bastard with very little skill at acquiring talent. He's throwing Canadian players under the bus to save his own ass.

    Currently its failing miserably. We are only marginally better than last year...
     
  12. TFC07

    TFC07 Member

    May 19, 2007
    Brampton, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Agreed.

    Anyway, I can see a lot of Canadians playing for Toronto in the future, but however, most of them will be either old vets who are end of their career or young players from college or academy playing for TFC. I don’t see Canadian players in their prime of their career playing for Toronto or any other MLS teams for that matter.
     
  13. Pateau

    Pateau New Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Toronto
    Underperforming players get displaced by better players. If a Canadian player at TFC isn't cutting it and a foreign player can come in and do a better job, so be it. I can't think of a single Canadian player at TFC that undeservingly lost his place.

    As for Canadian acquisitions, how many quality Canadian players are out there? How many of those are available? How many of those would forego their current club to move to TFC? How many of those would move from their leagues in Europe to play in the weaker MLS?

    It's not that simple.
     
  14. Pateau

    Pateau New Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Toronto
    Here, one Canadian player who could help TFC right now is Ali Gerba. He has a great goalscoring record for team Canada, has played in Toronto in the past, is Canadian, and is currently unattached to any club. Go get em Mo!
     
  15. T-boy

    T-boy New Member

    Apr 28, 2007
    T-dot
    I think at some point in the next 2/3 season's TFC will have more Canadian's. I think Gerba will play for TFC at some point, and I can see DeRo coming our way sooner or later as well.
     
  16. SoccerNewf

    SoccerNewf Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    Pasadena, NL
    My feeling is that Gerba wants to sign over in Europe. I don't expect him here anytime soon.
     
  17. bigbeleafer

    bigbeleafer New Member

    May 18, 2008
    I am not saying we should be more of a Canadian team, I am just wondering if that will happen in the future.
     
  18. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I take it people have this guy on ignore?

    It'll happen in the future, just not right now.

    I don't see us fielding a team full of Canadians in the next 3 to 5 years. However, I do see a golden boy emerging like Messi that will take things to the next level.
     
  19. It's not Mo's fault that players like Reda, Braz, Pozniak, Canizalez, Djekanovic and Asante failed in MLS. You wouldn't happen to be a Celtic supporter would you?
     
  20. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    Nope. The Euro league I follow is Serie A. I could care less about petty sectarian fights between Rangers and Celtic fans. I think its stupid. I'm judging Mo purely on his track record.

    Bringing up the players that failed last year is meaningless. Mo sucks because he didn't even really try to replace them.

    It's not even about the Canadians anymore. Mo is bad at his job. Whether its finding Canadians or internationals.
     
  21. To me the Canadian player stuff is the last thing Mo should be criticized for and I think people way overrate his influence where rule changes were concerned. When Reda and Braz weren't up to it supply and demand factors dictated a change as the MLS business model is all about keeping player salaries down by removing as much leverage as possible from agents in salary negotiations. To me the biggest problem with Mo is that he appears to not have good contacts outside of the inflated UK transfer market and ex-Metrostars players and my gut instinct is that Tim Regan is not likely to be the answer on that.

    Overall, I'm of the opinion that there should be significantly closer to 30 points accumulated so far given the players that have been available so if John Carver doesn't come back next year I wouldn't be the least bit bothered. Think it's time to drop the ex-Premiership fixation and go for a North American coach. I suspect Mo is on thinner ice than he has ever been after the McBride and Dickov sagas. MLSE don't have to worry about the cap when it comes to coaches and GMs so if they can improve on what they have and build a stronger organization that's just the nature of the business.
     
  22. busbyboy74

    busbyboy74 Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    416 Proper
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    What Team do you support in Serie A?

    As for Mo doing a terrible job, you must take into acount that many quality players do not wish to play in the MLS. It is not a league where players in their prime go to play. Mo must contend with this and a limited budget when aquiring players.

    The talent pool is limited in Canada and our best hope of getting players with an ounce of talent is Europe and South America.


    Canadian players with some and I emphasize some talent like D-Ro have no desire to play in Toronto at this time. In addition, the Canadian Soccer Federation needs vast improvement in all levels. It operates on a shoestring budget of 13 Million a year with only two million being allocated to the senior squad. This is one of the reasons why players like Hargreaves (whom I know) decided to play for England. As a player you only have a limited time to make impact in this game. You must take advantage of all opportunities that present themselves. Owen took his and now plays for one of the largest clubs in the world. Your hatred of him is puzzling and laughable. I wonder if you have ever played the game on a competitive level?
     
  23. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    I support Lazio. But I also have a soft spot for any southern team, particularly those from the Calabria or Basilicata regions. I also despise Juve, Milan and Inter.

    Mo's problem is that he has over-payed for poor internationals. Leaving him no room to acquire better Canadians than the ones we had last year. He also leaves our team short handed by not giving us a full roster (or close to full roster). All you are doing is making excuses for Mo. How does the rest of the league manage to get decent players?

    By the way, Whoregreaves is a dick. He is a bastard and a pathetic little jerk. The fake British accent he has makes me laugh though. Of course all the ManUre fans in Canada seem to love him, despite the fact that he has no integrity or class. You figure with George Best being a ManUre legend some of you would understand the club and country are separate issues.

    I pretty much agree with all of this except for the part about Canadians. To me the Canadian issue is simply another nail in Mo's coffin.

    I am also convinced that TFC will never move forward under Mo. The reasons you give above are why I think that. I have no confidence in him whatsoever to improve our squad.

    As for Carver, I think he might have taken his bully tactics a bit too far and might have lost the dressing room now. I hope I'm wrong though.
     
  24. busbyboy74

    busbyboy74 Member

    Apr 13, 2007
    416 Proper
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    As I said in my prior e-mails I happen to know Hargreaves and his family. He does not speak with a fake accent and if you listen to it you would understand why it sounds the way it does. Owen has lived abroad longer than he ever has lived in Canada. While at Bayern he had to speak German not his native tongue english. His accent is not in fact british but a mix of having to speak German for so long. Your hatred of his is rather funny and pointless. While you are sitting in your home getting fat taping games and blogging he is competing at the highest level in the beautifil game. Do you play the game? Or are you just an overweight fan?
     
  25. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    LOL. Blogging.

    Being a better athlete doesn't make you a better person.

    Whoregreaves turned his back on Canadian soccer.

    Just because you're his friend doesn't change the fact.

    Quite frankly, as a fan, I can choose to hate on whoever I want. That's what sport is all about. We don't all have to be a bunch of idiot savants and accept what every athlete does as gospel. If he doesn't like being called out by Canadian soccer fans that's too bad. He made his choice.

    Anyways, if its pointless (as you claim), why do you keep the issue going? Just ignore me when I call Whoregreaves out.
     

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