Post-match: US vs. Norway (Group Play)

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by Crimson Ace, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/index.html

    scroll down.


    Everything is there. complete games - every event in the entire olympics. If you don't have the patience, highlights are at the end of the half and game.

    You will need the Silverlight plugin. It works on all platforms and is available on a link from that page.
     
  2. zenshofu

    zenshofu New Member

    Aug 7, 2008
    Hope this game was a wake up call. With Wambach, Osborne and Whitehill out injured, it leaves a very inexperienced core group of players.

    Hope Pia will start A Rod and Wagner. Boxx seems like she never really got her game back on after the ACL tear. Hucles has been around for ever and never consistently made significant plays.

    Kai and Lloyd typically have moments of brilliance, but not always when most needed.

    Bad luck to meet Norway and Petignat in one game, the first game.
     
  3. zenshofu

    zenshofu New Member

    Aug 7, 2008
    Wagner could replace either Lloyd or Boxx. Too bad Chalupney is back covering for the loss of Osborne and Whitehill.
     
  4. zenshofu

    zenshofu New Member

    Aug 7, 2008
    I so agree about Petignat...horrified to see her back on the pitch.
     
  5. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    the 300

    but that didn't turn out so well.


    Look, I understand there wasn't time to overhaul. I'm saying it will never happen until we recognize it needs to happen.

    right now is the time. Forget about gold - ain't gonna happen.

    Forget silver and Bronze, too.

    maybe forget getting out of the group, even, because that's borderline the way they played.

    How about they just learn to pass to each other. Remember those drills? No shooting until you have made 5 passes. No pass over 10 yards. Nothing off the ground. show for the ball. If you punt 40 yards over the end line you do a lap before you can come back into play.

    The stuff kids learn at age 8.

    If they learn that, they get a gold star.

    It's a start.
     
  6. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    doesn't matter how many minutes i've seen her. pia has seen her every minute in practice. pia loves players who make those incisive passes that wagner does, but pia isn't putting her in the game because her offense is not great enough to make up for her lack of defense.

    everyone would if each player only had to play offense. none of the players you mentioned is one dimensional. but one is more one dimensional than the other two.
     
  7. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000

    that's ok (i can't for some reason quote your try this paragraph). i didn't take it personally. see my reply above.
     
  8. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000

    so true, so true!!!!

    put this post up in every bs poster's computer room. send it to the ussf in all caps. yes, shout at them.

    i saw a part of that argentina game, and noted the same thing. their trapping, passing and shooting along with their overall grasp of the game is already better than the uswnt's.

    i know we've argued about this before, but your main points are my main points.

    1. this ain't 1999. a lot of the rest of the world is really training their women's soccer teams now!

    2. (i know that this is just the way i say it, but) countries that have a soccer culture, and are paying attention will pass us fairly easily if we are not careful.

    btw, i still say we need more speedskill players.
     
  9. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    All that kicking it up to Abby is gone under Pia!!! I haven't being seeing much of it with Pia in charge, untill yesterday.... some of you guy are bias.... you are so fitted in the past you don't notice the present.... you guys expect too much from the girls and act as through they been together for years rather then a year under Pia... you don't put together a team in that time, A-Rod, Cheney and Heath only have a few caps under they the belt.. no one took charge yesterday not even Rampone.... for all the crap that the team don't really need Abby we will see... I am betting on Solo to save the day only if the defense settled down... if they do I am confortable with our chances for gold....
     
  10. REALfootballRulez

    May 25, 2007
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 1st goal seemed to more Calupny's fault than Solo's because she got in the way and didn't take out the player as Brandi Chastain herself faulted Chalupny. The 2nd goal was a bad giveway by Margraf and a fantastic shot by Norway. Hope played it right but it was just a great bending shot so you really can't fault her for that.

    The SHOCKING thing is Norway is a team the U.S. has not only beat but shutout TWICE recently 4-0 and now they can't even score a single goal against them! The U.S. also had 10 straight wins against Norway!

    It's only one game but the U.S. looks awful and out of sync out there.
     
  11. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    that's because we ARE talking about yesterday.

    yesterday was actually worse because there was no abby on the field and they were still doing it!!!
     
  12. htide

    htide Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    That the part I don't get. With wambach in it makes sense to send a COUPLE long balls during the match to put the opposing defense of balance and maybe squeek out a goal. But without wambach there is no one there big enough to reach the damn things. They were like balls to nowhere. I cannot tell you the number of long passes that went over kai and out of bounds. She's fast but she aint that freaking fast.
     
  13. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brandi was repeatedly on them about taking some pace off those balls, but I never saw them actually do it. Guess they couldn't hear her. ;)
     
  14. mona

    mona Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    Didnt see the game!! Darn it!

    Chalupny should be in he midfield. Lacking anyone else to defend on the left side ....throw in Heath.
     
  15. soccermum

    soccermum New Member

    Sep 24, 2006
    I think the first goal is at least as much on Solo as o Chalupny. If she stayed on her line she had a shot at it and we wouldn't be wondering what Chalupny's status is for the rest of the tournament. The 2nd she had no chance really.
     
  16. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    Did you read Solo's quote on that goal? check ussoccer.... before you make judgement she was out there..... please no armchair analysis...
     
  17. soccermum

    soccermum New Member

    Sep 24, 2006
    I think that's what BS is, armchair analysis. Sorry to pick on your favorite, but she made a mistake. One of many in yesterdays match. She took responsibility for it as did Markgraf for hers.
     
  18. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    I guess you may have played college soccer to over ride O'Reilly's perspective... I am no professional you are, so it a mistake on Solo's part and btw O'Reilly opinion mean nothing to you....
     
  19. secretcode

    secretcode New Member

    Apr 12, 2004
    USA
    This was also driving me crazy - long crazy balls to nowhere. I don't get it. (And it's such an uninteresting and unattractive game to watch.) Maybe they have been playing this way so long, they can't shake it so easily.
     
  20. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    We all know Norway were masters of the long ball when they were dominating the women's game a a 2 decade ago....
     
  21. custar

    custar Member

    Sep 30, 2007
    It looked like Chalupny and Solo both made mistakes on the same play. Chalupny seemed to misread how deeply into the box the ball was heading and then didn't prevent her player from penetrating far enough to reach the ball. It also looked like Solo read the path of the ball correctly and realized Chalupny wasn't going to stop her mark from penetrating deeply enough to put her head onto the ball. Solo chose to try to make a play on the ball in the air rather than allowing the Norwegian player to pick her target spot on the header. It was a close call on whether to come out or not, so I can't fault her for playing aggressively. I would rather Solo had played through both players more with her body and not hit Chalupny on the head, but those things can and do happen. That goal was far less disturbing than the second goal which was a gift to Norway.

    custar
     
  22. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ITA on this. Solo made a goalkeeper's mistake, and it's one that every (even the best) goalkeeper has made in their lifetime. It's an error based on a split second decision.

    The 2nd goal, though? It wasn't a common mistake for people, supposedly, at the top of their game, and mentally prepared for an international tournament. It was a poor giveaway that came from lackadaisical play on the ball. It really was the worst of the 2 errors leading to the goals.
     
  23. hocho

    hocho New Member

    Sep 14, 2005
    Braintree
    Hadn't Markraf just come back over the midfield line and then looked to pass it back? If so, way too long for that...
     
  24. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    She claims she was back passing to Hope. The explanation just makes it worse, as it didn't have a prayer of getting to her and would have rolled to a stop before it got there.
     
  25. soccermum

    soccermum New Member

    Sep 24, 2006
    I have eyes, so I don't really need to read US Soccer to interpret what I saw. Solo and Chalupny both take some credit for the first goal. And Norway deserves a bunch of credit for playing a ball that was clearly difficult to defend. If you do need US Soccer to interpret for you, you might read the match report:

    "Lori Chalupny was good position to try to win the header, but U.S. goalkeeper Hope Solo charged off her line and collided with Chalupny as Leni Larsen Kaurin got her head to the ball, popping it over both U.S. players and into the empty net. "
     

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