Kenny Cooper: Cardiff or Rosenborg?/mls accepts bids

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by jcsd, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    From what I understand, Dallas doesn't get anything near to 75% of the take if they sell Cooper. If you've read somewhere that that is not the case, I'd be interested to see it, but I know RBNY didn't get anything resembling $8 million when Altidore was sold, which would be the same percentage you are proposing.

    The league owns the contracts, and it is essentially the contract that is being sold when a transfer occurs, which has very little to do with which team the player is playing for. The team has a certain right to reject MLS selling the player, and the fact that Dallas did shoot this down after the league was on board seems in line with the fact that the team doesn't really get that much money out of transfers in the single-entity set up . Toja went to Dallas on loan, then MLS paid a transfer fee for him, not Dallas, so it makes sense that they would recoup most of the profit on a sale, at least under this system.

    Doesn't Dallas pretty much already run in the black anyway?
     
  2. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    It is a good movie, even if you don't know much about baseball.


    Basically, there is an older player brought into a baseball team playing in the second tier league. He has been brought in mainly to mentor the team's new young star, who is extremely talented but lacking the mental edge to make the leap to the next level. Part of what the older player, Crash, teaches the young guy in preparation for the next step is how to conduct an interview with the press, basically telling him to only speak in clichés and thereby avoid actually giving the press any real information. Basically the stuff all athletes spout to the press when interviewed after a game. The reporter asks about the great game the player has just had or whatever, and the player should come back with something like, "yeah, the whole team worked really hard tonight and the team effort yielded the result" or something like that. Anything to evade actually answering the question and risk saying something that could get you in trouble somehow.
     
  3. Matt12

    Matt12 Member

    Nov 26, 2007
    Trondheim
    Club:
    Rosenborg BK
    I understand the most basick stuff i mean there is throwers, hitters and catchers.

    Now if the hitter hits the ball he has to run over x number of bases and this has to be done befor the catchers passes the ball to the catcher standing on the base he is going for.
    Now if the hitter runs over all the bases his team gets one point.

    What i don`t understand is who decides what players will trow and who will hit and, when do they change what team is doing what.

    As in do both teams get to use throwers in each period ?
    Or do they take turns and play every second period.

    Can one player play multiple positions in one game ?

    If a player strikes out is he out for the rest of the game or can he play in the next period ?

    Also how do you run out of players ? I heard something about that happening at all star games but maybe i misunderstood .

    I know the terms i used for the different position on the field is wrong but well :)

    ow and finaly when the guy behind the hitter makes the hand signals that is similar to planning play in american football ?
     
  4. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I don't actually like baseball enough to go through explaining the ridiculous amount of rules, so:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball
     
  5. Matt12

    Matt12 Member

    Nov 26, 2007
    Trondheim
    Club:
    Rosenborg BK
  6. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Ron Shelton won an Oscar for this :

     
  7. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Yes, Dallas is the second most profitable team in MLS according to our GM a couple of weeks ago.
     
  8. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Bothroyd closes on Cardiff move

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/7538385.stm
     
  9. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cooper just scored 2 more. 800 pound gorilla in room. Guys got some skill.
     
  10. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    .
    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forget the rules, that movie could be about cricket and it would still kick ass (although on second thought...). Anyway, it's as much about sex and humans as baseball. And Zen, of course.
     
  11. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    and the fundamental ontological riddles of our time
     
  12. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    I honestly think that Dallas' refusal will ultimately help Cooper earn a bigger and better move.

    IMO he's too good for CCC or Norway. I know he'd have a chance to move on quickly, but I don't see how Eddie Johnson is a Premiership player and Cooper isn't. I think we'll see some struggling Premiership clubs come after Kenny in January, and I'm sure Dallas would be far more willing to sell their star striker when allowed proper time to find a replacement.

    I can certainly understand this move from Dallas' perspective, they're putting together a string of great results on Kenny's back and have just gotten rid of some offensive talent, they need Kenny.

    I might get laughed at, but I really don't see a gulf of difference from a player like Dean Ashton. I think Kenny is far more talented than a host of Premiership strikers, but hasn't had the opportunity to show it at the top level. Hopefully some call-ups come his way and he further expands his MLS scoring resume.

    That injury last year still stings a bit, he'd have had his chance at Copa America and likely be moving to a top flight club.

    Again, I really don't see why we should get up in arms about a move to leagues that aren't really much better competitively speaking (debatable, but clealry not head and shoulders ahead of MLS).

    Kenny's stock will go up with every goal scored, and if he can lead Dallas to the playoffs and do some damage he'll have some top4 league clubs calling.
     
  13. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The reason why EJ is a Prem player and Cooper isn't (by transfer interest valuation) is that Eddie had a host of international goals to add to his resume on top of his productive 2007 MLS goal-scoring rate. Cooper only has his MLS production and his time in the ManU reserves to boast about.

    As SFS will tell you, I think clubs look at international resumes when scouting players from unproven or unknown leagues.

    All that said, I agree with much of the rest of your post.
     
  14. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Scouts look at everything but, at any rate, Eddie is a rotation guy at a bottom level Prem squad while Kenny was being looked upon as a starting striker in the Colaship.

    I am not sure there's a major gap between the two.
     
  15. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    That's true, but I think Kenny could start for a bottom table EPL side. I don't see how Cardiff is a big enough step-up from MLS to warrant Dallas selling their top player, mid-season, when offers will be there in January.

    Dallas selling Cooper is a literal wave of the white flag, and that's not acceptable for a club in the thick of the playoff race.

    Kenny will get his move. Unless he's injured or goes completely cold he can't hurt his chances to get a move into the Premiership, and there will be clubs on the market for a versatile, EPL-ready forward at a cut-rate price.

    From a NT perspective I don't find either Norway or Cardiff a big enough step-up from MLS to warrant the move, with the publicity generated from the potential moves I'm sure more clubs will be alerted to his progress. Normally I'm all for players moving abroad, but Cardiff or freaking Norway? Blah.

    Also, Eddie's National Team goals had dried up, I'm sure scouts noticed his torrid form with the Nats at the time of his transfer.
     
  16. gyr0

    gyr0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2002
    NYC
    Heres the gap: Kenny would be playing. Moreover, he would be playing in an atmosphere of gradual transition versus being thrown straight in to an EPL relegation battle.

    Scoring sixteen goals in the championship (or most decent leagues in Europe) will garner far more attention than MLS.
     
  17. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    As I've mentioned before, (and Cooper himself found out while on loan to Academica De Coimbra) there are few things tougher in soccer than being a lone striker in an overmatched team. Cooper moving to "a bottom table EPL side" would not be in his best interests....unless he fancies playing up top, by himself, trying to compete for balls thumped from 40 yards in the general direction of his left ear hole....with the likes of Ferdinand and Vidic draped all over you....while vainly looking around for support from an over run midield.
     
  18. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Aka the Bob Bradley offense.
     
  19. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    so every club in the bottom half exclusively play lone striker formations?

    I guess I missed that...

    I think playing for a club like West Ham, Fulham, Bolton, etc would be much better than Cardiff. Dominating CCC wouldn't do much more for Kenny than domination MLS. I'm not arguing MLS is a superior league top to bottom, but a gulf in class certainly does not exist, they're similar in quality. Kenny needs to be tested by the best defenders should he improve.

    Even if he's played exclusively as a lone striker, which I doubt very much will happen often.

    I think Kenny is good enough for leagues far better than CCC and Scandanavia. Perhaps Germany, top-level Holland, France, etc.

    I just don't see a reason for Dallas to give up on the season for $3 million when there will be a market in January, unless he's injured or fails to score another goal all season he can only build on his transfer fee, and hopefully latch on with a club experiencing injury problems up front.

    If Dallas turned down a move from an EPL club, a German club, etc, I'd be disapointed, but Kenny can certainly latch on with a CCC club in 6 months and Dallas don't concede the season.

    Really, the proof is in the pudding. Kenny's only added to his resume since the failed move(s). Dallas is moving up the table and can become a serious contender for MLS cup. The only way his value plummets at this point is serious injury.
     
  20. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas

    Hey smartass...try living up to your screen name by displaying some....I was responding to a poster who said "bottom of the EPL"....not bottom HALF.
     
  21. CommonSense

    CommonSense Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Portland
    I said bottom table, by which I meant the bottom half of the table. Not just the bottom 3...
     
  22. Hammerette 1

    Hammerette 1 Member

    May 24, 2007
    England
    West Ham didn't finish in the bottom half of the table. they finished 10th 3 points ahead of Spurs in 11th, 12 points ahead of 16th placed Bolton and 13 points ahead of 17th placed Fulham.

    Dean Ashton scored 10 league goals, none were penalties, after coming off a season long absense due to a serious ankle injury. His strike rate was 1 in 3 which is a good standard in one of the top leagues.
     
  23. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No need to get hostile towards him. He made several valid points.
     
  24. SCBozeman

    SCBozeman Member

    Jun 3, 2001
    St. Louis
    I doubt that.

    If Cooper went to Cardiff and scored, say, 12 goals before the winter break, he'd be worth several million pounds to a Premiership team. Cardiff may or may not sell at that point.

    If Cooper stays at FCD and continues to score goals -- let's say hits around 22 for the season -- and assists them to a nice playoff run, he'd be worth about the same that he is now. He might bring out another suitor or two who'll bid somewhere close to what he's worth now. But then again, January tends to have fewer teams shopping than summer.
     
  25. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    If Cooper has the same scoring rate as in MLS - ~ 2 goals in every 3 matches - he'd be a 30 goal scorer in Colaship and probably worthy of a $15M transfer bid.
     

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