News: Welcome Ivan Guerrero from SJ Earthquakes

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  1. ongreystreet

    ongreystreet Member

    Jun 10, 2008
    Columbia, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All you need to know about this guy can be found here:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=725865

    I am assuming since the SD fans aren't happy about him leaving, we should be happy about him arriving. That's usually how these things work, but don't hold me to that.
     
  2. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    how's he in goal? :D
     
  3. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't do that, not when I can link directly to the 4-0 drubbing. :)
    Given the chance, I'm sure he'd be a starter. There was a line from the S8C boards back in 2005 that should give you a good sense of the man, "Guerrero is the new Ditka." :D
     
  4. Th4119

    Th4119 Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Annandale, VA
    :eek:

    Wow. A very good deal just became great. Niell was making $150,000 and this is going to cost DC less than that. They don't play the same position but this is a massive upgrade for DC.

    I'm very excited to see how he does with players like Gallardo, Moreno, and Fred. This gives DC an outrageous amount of speed on the flanks between Ivan, Fred, and Martinez and hopefully this will help pull Fred out of his slump because opposing teams can't key on him as well.
     
  5. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    I think Tino replaces Niell. Between Guerrero, Burch and Martinez I don't think there will be much room for Fred on the left. He should slide out right, where his natural right footed tendencies should increase his effectiveness.

    So where does that leave Tino? Answer ... withdrawn forward. For example now that Moreno is covering for Gallardo you have a perfect opportunity to play Tino up top. Of course Tino will still be a backup option on the right.

    Of course I could be way off. In the end Soehn might just decide to slide Martinez back to the middle, put Guerrero at left back and keep Fred at left mid. Burch and McTavish come off the bench in this scenario which leaves Tino stuck at right mid. IMO this would be a mistake ... but the way Soehn's been lining things up I wouldn't be surprised.


    My ideal lineup :

    ------------------Wells
    Namoff---McTavish-----Peralta------Martinez
    -----------------Simms
    Fred--------------------------------Guerrero
    -----------------Gallardo
    ---------Emilio----------Moreno

    subs : Quaranta for Moreno, Burch for Martinez or Guerrero, Doe for Emilio.
     
  6. RoundBallNewbie

    RoundBallNewbie New Member

    Aug 23, 2006
    DC in exile
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, please.
     
  7. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A good trade on a number of fronts:
    * Gives DCU a true, two way left-sided mid with speed - he was very good in his Chicago days. It is hard to judge his San Jose games since it is an expansion team with a weak offense.
    * With Olsen's injury, Guerrero should be the starting LM even when all of the other injured players return. Fred flips to RM - Quaranta becomes the first offensive option on the bench for AM, RM/LM, or F and hopefully knocks Dyachenko down the bench (i.e. if Gallardo is out, put Moreno at AM and Quaranta at F - if Guerrero is out, Fred plays LM and Quaranta plays RM).
    * His left-sided versatility (LM or LB) is a plus
    * We do not have to trot out Thompson or Cordeiro at first team LM - they can develop their game in the reserves
    * Comes to the team ready to play unlike some foreign acquisitions who sometimes get their start date stretched out to Visa issues and lack of game conditioning. He is a known quantity in MLS as opposed to running a bunch of foreign trialists through the paces hoping that they can stick.
    * Salary $ are no worse than a wash with Niell's $ from which little value was gained - his salary $ are reasonable for a good veteran starting mid.
    * A partial allocation is not much to give up for a starter at a need position

    I see minimal downside:
    * Will miss games anytime that Honduras plays
    * He is too short to play goalie
     
  8. gocaps

    gocaps Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    With the SEs in 134
    Holy crap, a starting-caliber true flank player. Outside of Olsen - who is so good he can play anywhere - when was the last time we had even one of those on our team? I think it might have been Earnie Stewart :eek:

    Guerrero seems to hand us our heads every time we play him. If nothing else, this keeps him off of the field against us.

    I love the deal. The pieces on our team just started fitting together a whole lot better.
     
  9. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if he wants to come here?
     
  10. CHICO13

    CHICO13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 4, 2001
    SECTION 135
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I can think of 147,000 reasons....
     
  11. Reignking

    Reignking Member

    Feb 16, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure he would rather be on an expansion team.
     
  12. Fisty409

    Fisty409 New Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, I'm sure he did. With SJ huge influx of players this window (Most of them being left sided players), Ivan Was Bumped to the bench and the people on the SJ boards were seeing him as the next person out the door. Also those 147,000 other reasons might be a factor too.
     
  13. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goff says a portion of his salary will be picked up by San Jose for this season. All the more reason to be pleased by the trade.
     
  14. DC06

    DC06 Member+

    Oct 9, 2006
    Within amile of home
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow!

    Just the good news been wanting. I like the move all around, cannot wait to see him play.
     
  15. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    I really liked this guy at SJ. SUCKS to lose him. We simply did not have a team he could engage with for most of the season, but if you look at his performance when we beat Houston he was phenomenal.

    Things are getting done haphazardly in SJ and Guerrero is a casualty. God forbid we have some depth of talent out here.

    Lucky you guys. Best to Ivan.
     
  16. JuanMa

    JuanMa Member

    Jul 22, 2003
    MD
    The answer to your question is DUH!
    1. He is a latin american player surrounded by latin american talent like Gallardo, Moreno, Fred, Martinez, etc. Language and style of play must be of his interest.
    2. As much as he heard our team in the past, let's face it, he had DCUnited envy. He is now part of the best organization in MLS.
    3. DCU plays in SuperLiga, Concacaf Champions, etc. That international exposure keeps his chances intact to be seen back at home (national team) or bigger leagues (if he has the hunger).
    4. He WILL start for us immediately. If he blows his chance, he wont start once all players are healthy, but the starting job is for him to screw up.
     
  17. Count

    Count New Member

    Oct 7, 2007
    Chapel Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems to me this guy is the player that marc burch wishes he was.

    And since SJ will be picking up part of the tab for him I see no reason to not be excited.
     
  18. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't disagree with everyone about him wanting to come here, because I thought of most of those reasons as well.

    But you never know if he had family somewhere, or just prefers CA all of a sudden.

    Player movement is a bit unpredictable that way.

    It's a great move on paper, that's for sure.
     
  19. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    there's 50% chance of "Fire Guerrero" and 50% chance of "Guerrero is best DC player ever" threads in next 2 weeks :D
     
  20. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Actually, he didn't want to go to California. He was very sad to leave Chicago.
     
  21. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    I thought it was 100% we'll see both.
     
  22. rugman

    rugman Member

    Oct 13, 2003
    Annapolis
    Yes. Same salary as Niell and SJ is paying a portion to boot.

    I believe Doe has taken Niell's slot.

    So, we have 4 forwards in Luci, Jaime, Doe and Tino.

    Looks like Osario is still pissing off Fire fans with this.
     
  23. darkstar10990

    darkstar10990 Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll be good for you guys, I have a good feeling about it. I don't know about any other Quakes fans, but this one is a tough one for me to see. Guererro was always one of our positives when we were way down in the cellar earlier this season.


    Good luck, Ivan, and congratulations DC fans.
     
  24. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While Doe essentially took Niell's spot as a reserve forward on the bench, Doe was acquired before these recent senior roster moves. By recently cutting Niell and Carvallo, it opened spots for Guerrero and Vide. If/when another goalie is acquired to compete with Wells for the starting spot, a senior roster spot would need to be opened via another player getting cut or put on season-ending IR (i.e. Olsen or more likely Mediate on IR) or less likely, moving a senior roster player to the developmental roster and then cutting one of those developmental players.

    On another note, the DCU press release confirms that Guerrero can not play for DCU in the USOC since he is already cup-tied to San Jose.
     
  25. EdsonArantes

    EdsonArantes Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    Barra Brava
    Well judging from everyone's reactions, seems like a good coup. Anyone know how long the deal is for? (I may have missed it earlier in the thread)
     

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