No kingkong, you are the ridiculous fan who cheers for your rival Fluminense. This is CLUB football. I didn't cheer for either Boca or LDU, I cheered against Fluminense. I never posted any LDU campeon pictures after Flu's defeat. Everything I've posted was FLAMENGO. So Mr. Tricolor, once again, I'd like to state that MY team has a LIBERTADORES, and you continue without one. MY team is at the top of the table while YOURS is at the bottom. Even Flamengo players laughed and made fun of Fluminense after their loss. I can even accept the fact that rooted for Flu, but the way you did it was RIDICULOUS. You were cheering for Flu as if Fla was playing. There is no inferiority factor. We just want them to remember that we have something that they will NEVER have. In Vasco's case, since they have a Libertadores, don't have a MUNDIAL. Flamengo, Libertadores 2009 Fluminense, in the Copa do Brasil 2009
Stop talking about the ref. You seem to always conveniently forget LDU's legitimate goal that was incorrectly ruled offsides.
One, only a (Brazilian) impartial camera would detect, the other was under the ref's eyes. Argentinians for sure would 'forget' to show that play in all that detail if it were agst Boca. Next! ...
Oh, I agree that using an Argentinian referee in this match was a bad idea. It's just that you seem to be pointing this out just to take away the legitimacy of LDU's victory. Only a penalty shootout could separate the two teams, and the Ecuadorian team prevailed in that. They deserved it.
really the game could've gone either way... Flu showed great focus on attack while , LDU's defense gave up 3 goals,,,, coulda' been more... Cevallos as man of the match??? when you eat 3 goals ,, i don't think so.... good job on penalties though....
If I may know (in order to cure my apparent ignorance), which team is fortunate enough to really be Flamengo's archrival? Does Flamengo even have an archrival? You've triggered my curiosity.
Fluminense is Flamengo's historical archrival. Flamengo branched off from Fluminense. In recent times, Vasco has been bigger because they have won more titles and played in many decisive matches with Flamengo.
according to kingchong1 ;............ Originally Posted by kingkong1 And Fluminense is not even our main rival in Rio. NEVER WAS. And who says the contrary doesn't have the minimum knowledge of Rio's football.
But what Fluminense did to you for you to hate it so much?... As a Flamengo rooter since 1954, I never witnessed anything that could have caused such incredible trauma you demonster to have with the 'tricolores'. Must have been something very serious. What happened, tell us: when you were a kid you badly wanted to play in their basketball team and they didn't accept you because of your height (BTW that happened to me ), right?... Or - which is considerably worse - some girlfriend of yours by any chance ever went to bed with a tricolor (and that didn't happen to me)?... There must be some explanation... Besides, I never saw anybody 'cheering against': either you 'cheer for' or you don't cheer, period. You sound like Lampião, the famous bandit of the Brazilian Northeastern backlands, when asked by a reporter why would he so pitilessly kill his enemies: 'I didn't kill anybody. Who killed was God the Almighty. I just made the holes' ...
I see. Flu vs Fla has always been recognized even beyond its borders to be one of the biggest derbies in Brazil. Reading king kong's comments one would think that rivalries in Rio don't exist, everyone roots for everyone else, and that players from opposing teams kiss and hug after each game. For some, inferring from his comments, it could be said that Brazil is located between USA and Canada and its futbol leaue it's played in the suburbs where soccer moms can be heard in the background. This comment of his authorship is very telling: Really? You've NEVER seen this? Well, I am left speechless.
I think the hatred that fans like Mengao86 show is related more to insecurity about Flamengos status in Brazilian football. The teams from Sao paulo and Southern Brazil which have dominated in the last decade have relagated it to nothing more then a regional power inside rio state and the tought of losing that too if Flu for example won the Lib and world championship drives them crazy. I have seen the same behavior with some friends who also support flamengo but with none that support Botafogo or Vasco.
insecurity??? wait hold on a sec .... how about this ,,,,, would you have worn a FLA jersey like kingkong wore a Flu shirt for the final if it had been Flamengo in the final???
Originally Posted by Mengão86 Fluminense is Flamengo's historical archrival. Flamengo branched off from Fluminense. In recent times, Vasco has been bigger because they have won more titles and played in many decisive matches with Flamengo. That's it, Debilman ... Fluminense - in the last 50 years – was hardly an important Fla’s rival in Rio. There WAS indeed a very ancient strong rivalry between them, for Flamengo having been originated from an internal dissention within Fluminense in 1898 (+ or -). And from that date on to the 50's, the Fla x Flu was known as the most traditional Brazilian classic, mostly because it was an almost affectionate (and where there is affection there is also hatred) domestic & folkloric dispute btw father & son. To which rivalry the 1st syllable of each club’s names even added an interesting and picturesque sonority that enhanced even more the fact that they've been ‘relatives’… It’s more out of the force of tradition though that the Fla x Flu is still cited as ‘the great Brazilian derby’. Not anymore. From 1958 on, non-parental Vasco and Botafogo took by far Flu's place as our main and fiercest rivals. The classic and almost cordial father-and-son rivalry btw Fla x Flu of the 1st half of the century gave place to the bloody and furious clashes btw Fla & those other 2 teams in the following 50 years. The last really important Fla x Flu happened 45 years ago, in the longinquous decision of Rio’s chpshp of 1963 (to our days, the world record in public for clubs), when Flamengo clinched the title. At that time however our main rivals were already (and by far) Botafogo & Vasco… What Mengão86 called ‘recent times’ in relation to Vasco, was in fact ‘from 1958 to 2008’. Not even Mengão86 statement that Vasco in recent times ‘has won more titles’ is accurate: Vasco (Botafogo either) in the last 10 years has won practically nothing in Rio’s or Brz football. Your 'idol', Devilman, should study more, stop with those ridiculous & inexistent rivalries that just happen in his and some nuts' heads - and get more acquainted with the facts of what he calls ‘his club’ …
Men, take a decision, will you!... Either use points or commas in your text. And why all that excess of interrogation marks? You're insecure of what? ... To some extent, NitrousOxide analysis is very close to the truth: Of course he shouldn't extend those remarks to the real Flamengo rooters, but to the emotionally unbalanced ones like Mengão86 - and in that aspect his analysis is perfect... First of all (even with the loss at Lib's Cup) Fla is still the Brz club with more domestic and national titles, by far the most popular team of the country, and is perfectly conscious that the bad spell it was living in the last decade (something that happens to any big club) has already passed: Fla is the current leader of the Brz Chmpshp and nowadays the best team of the country. So the normal Flamengo rooter is very calm and very well resolved towards its rivals: in Brazil, only Pelé's Santos and São Paulo have more Libertadores and World titles than us... We don't need to hate the others. We can even root for them ...
Read my post #93 - and learn, please. To 'cheer against' is to walk like a crab: sideways. Or worse, backwards. In other words: it's a coward posture. The healthy act of 'cheering' always conotes forwardness, courage - the joy of facing the enemy looking in his eyes.
It does exist, and I can tell you that his view is definitely in the minority. I guess he must not get outside of his house much and get to know people. Fla and Flu fans both hate each other, and there has always been trash talk coming from both teams. The world's record attendance was a Fla-Flu. If it wasn't a rivalry, it wouldn't have set this record. Hell, even in Flamengo's anthem, Fla-Flu get mentioned. Before Brazil had a national competition, they played within the state. Flamengo and Fluminense are the most successful clubs in the state competition. Sorry, but you don't erase history. We both share Maracana, and argue over the rights of "ownership." That's exactly my reaction. I don't think kingkong knows what a rivalry is. You want to see your rival get humilhated and lose. I guess he would cheer for Argentina over Bolivia, Peru, or any COMNEBOL nation. I bet he would cheer for Flu against any Paulista team. He already showed that "bairrismo" is more important to him in CLUB football than seeing your rival fall flat on their face.
Incorrect. You have shown that you clearly do not have a clue. Gremio has 2 Libertadores and 1 Mundial. Fla-Flu has been alive, it never stopped 50 years ago. The game with R. Gaucho's belly goal and the virada we had in 2004. We also have been chasing them in the number of Cariocas. In recent years, Fluminense has beaten us in decisions in the Carioca. NitrousOxide, Haven't seen any Botafogo or Vasco fans like that? Just as sidis from here who is a Vascaino. He was rooting heavily against Fluminense.
You can interpret the meaning of "cheering against" however you want. What you CANNOT say is that it never happens... because it happens all the time and all throughout South America. You are either very sheltered or purely in denial. You can have a certain posture regarding the topic at hand and people should respect that. However, you cannot negate the fact that it DOES happen, whether you like it or not. Learn what? All I got was YOUR opinion as to why YOU think it's not a rivalry. Pretty worthless considering the past few days I've seen demostrations of Flamengo fans belittling their rivals because of their Libertadores failure. You can tell me the rivalry has diminished or ceased to exist and yet I see the opposite on TV, internet, etc.