Kaka vs. Cristiano Ronaldo: KAKA Best Player in World

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by former baller, May 12, 2008.

  1. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    You are still a fool, and an ignorant one at that. Who the hell are you to assume that I don't see much of either player?
     
  2. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    You had better adjust your attitude or your time here will be short. Now perhaps instead of going off on a whine or posting more personal attacks you could sit back and take a few minutes to (a) read the entire thread, and (b) consider what I have posted.
     
  3. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Tesos' response was abbrasive but this post reflects a certain amount of ignorance and oversight.

    You mention that Kaka is currently being played out of position however the game you sight as Ronaldo's useless game - a game in which he scored his team's only goal, he was played as a centre forward as opposed to his usual free role from either flank, behind a central forward.

    Ronaldo isn't as good a passer as Kaka - to dismiss that portion of his game might be understandable, however to underrate his dribbling is silly. Ronaldo's dribbling may not be Maradona-esque, but he's far from ineffective and has proven time and again that he's effective against the vast majority of opponents he faces.
     
  4. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    Didn't call him in the game useless. Called his trickery useless.

    I'll refrain from using a smartass "reading comprehension" type post, but yes. I agree with your post.
     
  5. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    That's just it though, Ronaldo hasn't used useless tricks in almost ages now. Much of what he does has a purpose to it. People slated him for his over-use of stepovers. However when his conventional dribbling and ball control wasn't where it was today, it allowed him to make defenders back off until he got into a position to cross or shoot. Now he's far more direct because he's added strength and quickness of thought to his game - but he still occasionally brings out stepovers and flicks and tricks. They're not useless 90 % of the time. Initially they appeared to be that way, but eventually when they started to come off people realized there was reason to what Ronaldo was doing.


    EDIT: as for his tricks in that game, he only did stepovers a couple times that I can recall and he skipped past Essien with a few quick pedaladas on more than one occasion so they weren't useless.
     
  6. Twix

    Twix New Member

    Apr 28, 2007
    I agree with your post, but I don't think you witnessed how much shite Ronaldo got after the Arsenal game.

    Y'see when people say his tricks are useless...they're usually thinking of this (though, I personally don't think his tricks were useless here).

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    Most neutral fans only come out to watch Ronaldo in the 'big' games and its moment like that, that stick in their mind and form the crux of their opinions and they fail to realize that his 'showboating' is no longer a regular occurence as they don't watch him week in, week out like you do.
     
  7. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    ^^^That's the kind of BS he does. He does it ALL of the time. It's just so annoying.
     
  8. Twix

    Twix New Member

    Apr 28, 2007
    EDIT: What Teso said.
     
  9. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    Try reading. Then try comprehending what you have just read.
     
  10. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    --other--
    you're a nutter. Just so you know, that was late in a game that United had the lead in. Its just a better way to achieve what many wingers do at the end of the game. Take the ball to the corner flag and kill time.

    Regardless of the situation though, its hard to argue that all he did was tricks and stepovers, I mean - he put the ball in the back of the net 42 times.
     
  11. Bronaldo

    Bronaldo Red Card

    Apr 8, 2007
    Canada
    Ronaldo does not showboat regularly at all, that .gif was one of the few times i saw him do this all year, and he was only doing this to waste time as we were trying to kill the game. Some players go to the corner and shield it off, he went to the corner and had some fun, not a big deal, although it wouldn't be completly uncalled for, for an Arsenal player to have a go at him for it.

    Regardless of his improvement in dribbling, Kaka's dribbling is still much better. Kaka does not go on the same runs that a Ronaldo or a Messi does, he has a different style of dribbling which is based on subtle shifts in bodyweight combined with excellent close control and the ability to change pace very quickly.
     
  12. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Manchester United FC
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    --other--
    Kaka gets dispossesed less often than Messi and Ronaldo... however he beats fewer players as well.

    A great deal of Kaka's talent lies in getting the most out of his ability and combining it well. He's just a great deal more mature and considered in his play.

    Kaka's a better passer with a better eye for retaining possession than Ronaldo or Messi. He'll do something to keep things ticking more often than he'll do something likely to impact the game.

    His greatness though is how often he's able to add his ability to beat 1 man or 2 with a great pass or a great shot. Messi and Ronaldo will beat a man or 2 more often and will attempt to create a chance more often in the course of a game than Kaka - but when he's at his best he impacts the game just as much as they do.

    I also think he benefits from playing in Serie A where players generally have more time on the ball.
     
  13. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    ronaldo -Best Player in the World My ASS!

    Premier League Player of the year, yes!.......

    Eliminated from Euro 2008....:eek:
     
  14. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Highest scorer, best player, and winner of, the Premier League and European Cup, but he's not the best in the world because he didn't do much in a tournament where Turkey make the semi finals...
     
  15. Leeds92

    Leeds92 New Member

    Jun 19, 2008
    Australia
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    Leeds United AFC
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    Australia
    Based on how Milans seasons went compared to Man U you have to go with Ronaldo. You can argue until to you are blue in the face about Man U having a better team and that they carried him and the like. IMO that is crap. 42 goals for the season is proof enough that at present he is better.

    Further to this I think that after the season he has had and total games he has played for the season, who could blame him for having an average EC? The Kid is only 23 years old for goodness sakes. I think that the ability he is showing at his age and the season he had shows he has huge potential.

    My only critisism I have on him this season is that he needs to learn a little humility and not get a big (bigger) head. One thing Kaka does seem to have more of is this. I have never heard him spout comments about how good he is or how good he looks. If he keeps his head he will certainly pass Ronaldo in the future. I find the more grounded players will go further than the cocky ones long term. How they bounce back from injury, losses and the like usually mould them as a player and allow them to grow and become better. I think that this season for Kaka and Milan will be a true test for him. Same so Ronaldo. Be interesting to see how he bounces back next season after achieving what he did. Does he have the drive to do it again or will arrogance get the better of him?
     

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