Eliminatórias: Paraguai x Brasil, em Assunção, 15 de Junho

I want brazil too qualify too but something drastic has to happen to get Dunga out.

 

One more game and Dunga will be toast ,it is nature doing the job that CBF should have done a long time ago,he manage to turn Brazil in to a mediocre burocratic and coward team that no one is affraid of anymore. He came in and Brasil was #1 and it's being downhill since
If Brazil plays like that against " Los Hermanos" it will be humiliated at home.
On the bright side Dunga will be gone not a minute too soon.

 

"Brazil gets owned...again"

 

Second Half Highlights : Paraguay 2 - 0 Brazil
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Back from a really long moving process to this horrible game. This is without a doubt one of the weakest if not THE weakest team to wear the yellow. Add to that a horrible 4312 formation with 2 mediocre volantes and another past his prime, one creative player who cannot create anything, a fullback who cannot cross, a striker who runs alot, loses the ball alot and cannot shoot to save his life and yet he is still titular absoluto. Mix everything in the Pan we have Dungas recipe for disaster. From the looks of it we really have absolutly no midfield without kaka and ronaldinho. But is that really the case or has Dunga just not found the right players ? No use insisting with Diego anymore, he hasn't performed with kaka on the field, with ronaldinho with no one. Lucio is the only one who i would consider titular absoluto on this team.. I know we always steps up against Argentina and i hope that will be the case but even with the players on the bench i just don't see a midfield that can create anything.

 

You know what the worse thing is

Lucio and Juan are the craques of this team

 

Brasil lost a friendly in Brasil to Paraguay right after the 2002 World Cup, don't remember any home losses after that though.

I told you guys, that Dunga would be exposed to better opponents then the ones Brasil was facing before, it's about time his luck runs out.

 

So to sum up this loss.

Robinho wasn't good enough to bail out Dunga.

 

Dunga using timing as an excuse

http://fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=804351.html#dunga+nothing+went+right


"Dunga, whose team face arch-rivals Argentina at home on Wednesday in another qualifier, said the timing of the games was awkward as some players had been on holiday since the end of the European season. "We knew these games would be complicated with players coming back from holidays," he said."

 

putz... um dia bem chato; vendo a Seleção perder diante dos paraguaios no meu aniversário

meu primo no Paraguai deve ser mto feliz agora



foda mesmo

 

First off, what a loss. But really - nothing more than a loss had to be expected the very second you saw that lineup. Horrible.

IMO it wasn't really Diego to blame here. He hardly had the opportunity to show anything positive. Because Dunga was so amazingly defensive that he really only had two other offensive players to push the ball forward to. That's it. There was no width in attack, and no-where for Diego to lay the kind of passes or to explore the kind of vision that makes him a special player. If you sub in Ronaldinho or Kaka, I doubt the result would change.

I mean... other than the keeper, that's 7 defensive minded players!! The abomination is that it's as though Dunga wasn't even looking to put out a team that would pose a threat.

 

Ok 1st before I comment on this game, I just wanna say to Alfio Basile, who said the Euro games were boring that he needs to change what ever he's drinking or get his eyesight checked!! And I'm glad I DIDN'T miss the Tur-Cze game over this mishap!!

I had very bad vibes about this games and though I'm not in love with Dunga, I dont think he's our worst recent coach!! Sebastiao Lazaroni, Falcao and Emerson Leao will surely give him a run for the money for that title!!

But I also hope that everyone is seeing how the stars are being aligned(and I'm not talking about the playing ones either!!)

 

Good news is that Argentina didn't look too great vs Ecuador either.

 

We were horrible, slow and couldn't finish our chances, if we play like this in Belo Horizonte, your fullbacks will have a field day with Heinze and Zanetti.

 

I think I see what you're saying, its like history is repeating itself here, or at least rhyming. But still, why does this team have to always go through this for them to realize what the deal is, are they that stubborn!

 

All of us here who are understandably and justifiably upset with today's result are "mortal men" fans. We're not rich, we're not famous, we're not politicians, and we are certainly not affiliated with CBF. But it is precisely because we're just the fans, the members of the masses known as "torcedores," that CBF and Dunga couldn't care less.

These are arrogant men in positions of power and influence with huge salaries. Dunga, for all his stubbornness, does nonetheless hold a position of prestige in the annals of Brazilian soccer glories, as he was the stalwart core of our 1994 World Cup championship team's midfield. And he did lift the trophy, and deservedly so.

But that doesn't mean he's qualified to coach. I was stunned when CBF announced him. Even Emerson Leao, who has gotten some results as the one-time coach of my SPFC and who is somebody I dislike, said (and I agreed with) "Dunga? Really? No comment." Leao at least is a coach with experience. He's won the Brasileirao. But what had Dunga previously won as a coach?

But you guys know that these men don't care. They are supremely arrogant and they feel they know much more than we mortal men fans do because they are former ballers and because they are actually involved with the game on a level we are not. And while that gives them a certain justification ("I'm with the players; you guys watch TV and read the papers"). But it does not mean that they're doing the right thing.

I would bet, fellas, that men like Vanderlei Luxemburgo, Luiz Felipe Scolari, and Carlos Alberto Parreira watched today's game and shook their heads and probably chuckled in private. I mean, these are career coaches with successful track records. They then see some guy who never coached even a little league soccer game flopping with the NT. If WE are fuming, how do you think these guys feel?

This move by CBF challenged not only logic, it challenged an unwritten law: one must work one's way up. Scolari and Luxemburgo, who came to the forefront of coaching in Brazil in the 1990s, started out with very small-name teams.

They were very average players, but as coaches, they made it to the pinnacle: Scolari won the Libertadores, the Copa do Brasil, nearly took Portugal to Euro glory, and has a contract with Chelsea, runner up of the last Champions' League. And of course, he managed Brazil to the Penta.

Luxemburgo has won the Brazilian Premiership, the Copa do Brasil (in fact, he is the only coach to guide a team to win the league, the Copa, and the state tournament with Cruzeiro in 2003), the Copa America, and he must be given credit for having created at least part of the national team that Felipao later coached in 2002. He is also the only Brazilian coach to have recently coached Real Madrid.

But what has Dunga accomplished? Granted, he defeated Argentina handily a number of times and he won lots of political capital by winning Copa America. But one cannot live on past successes. "Futebol é momento."

Dunga has no experience. He is not someone who actually studies soccer tactics the way Luxemburgo does. He is not known for being a master motivator and lacks the charisma of a Scolari. Even though Scolari is my favorite coach, I will admit Luxemburgo is his superior in terms of tactically assembling a side. Carlos Alberto Parreira does a good job with that too. Even Muricy Ramalho is better than Dunga, and Ramalho won the 2 past Brazilian Premierships.

Even if Brazil plays well and defeats Argentina on Wednesday, I want him out. This does not bode well for our team's future. Paraguay, Venezuela, Ecuador, and Chile seem stronger this time around. We always struggle vs. the Uruguayans. Argentina is Argentina, even if we do and have owned them in recent time. We have the Confederations Cup next year. We will possibly face Italy and/or the European champion of 2008 (Holland? Portugal?) then. What'll be our odds with this team? Even if Kaka and Ronaldinho return at full strength, they can't carry the team on their backs.

I end this long vent with a question. Of the currently active coaches in our domestic league, whom would you see as an appropriate successor for Dunga? And why?

I would like Luxa just because he's proven himself, even if he's an arrogant filho da XXXX. If not him, Muricy Ramalho, because he's also been a winner in recent time and knows how to assemble teams who perform even if the individual pieces are limited.

 

I saw the game, and I'm just here to put some quick input. Brazil lacks a striker. Plain and simple. Brazil has been spoiled by the stellar play of Ronaldo and Adriano (until he got injured and drunk) up top, that now during a period where they lack a true quality finisher, the fans blame Dunga. That being said, Brazil is still Brazil. They'll bounce back.

As for Paraguay...plain and simple, right now they are the best in the CONMEBOL. Cabanas and Santa Cruz are incredible together. Cabanas is clutch, and he plays well game in and game out. The flick on the corner was very clever. Paraguay is on their "A" game right now.

My $0.02....

 

And with the way Chile handled Bolivia in La Paz, Paraguay shouldn't have much to worry about when they face them Wed!!

As much as I hate this formation I think Buzzcut needs to go with a 4-4-2 and start Adriano with Luis Fabiano!! And hopefully(remember I said hopefully) he has the sense to bench Mineiro and Gilberto Silva!!

 

I dunno, I'm still more comfortable with Robinho then with Adriano up front.

And if Dunga has any sense (which he doesn't) he will start Anderson who did more vs Paraguay then Josue, Mineiro, and Gilberto Silva put together.