Which club is Adu signed with now? He "must" be in an organized club presently....even USSF national team academy. The club in question stands to be compensated for his development and release if transfered to a professional team.(as per Fifa, right?) Who is gonna get PAID in this case?(substantially)
He doesn't have a contract. His relationship with the present holder of his player pass can be terminated with immediate effect. There's nothing binding him to Potomac or whoever, so they have no right to compensation.
Re: Re: Does Adu's current club get Compensated? bethesda alliance would be the richest youth club ever...
reality check: i'm not posting this in the 43 threads that have sprung up this weekend, but an english team cannot sign a 14-year old american, i would file this in the sir alex lays the foundation file and check back in a few years quoth austin powers, "i mean, really!"
Absolutely, you're right, there's a rule against it. But you can be sure that the biggest clubs in Europe are hard at work to figure out how to bust this rule. And I wouldn't count them out quite yet, as big piles of cash tend to create gravity that bends rules, so the debate should continue. Anyhow, tangentially, when Spurs bought Espen Baardsen eight or nine years ago, they had to pay a significant (though not enormous) transfer fee to his semi-pro club in the US, the San Francisco Blackhawks. Who, of course, became the Bay Seals.
A while back, some writer put out an article wondering if the USSF could get training compensation for Oguchi Onyewu. Nobody really came up with a clear answer. In the case of one player of Gooch's caliber, it's not worth it to the USSF to be quite so parasitic. But if we're talking 20 Gooches a year, or one Freddy, it's a different question. I've been looking at the FIFA rules on this, in order to post the rules against the international transfer of children. Anyway, as I read the rules, it becomes a question of whether going to Bradenton means Freddy has registered with the USSF. If he has, the USSF is entitled to compensation. As far as the rule having a loophole..it doesn't have a loophole as I understand the word. But we don't know yet whether or not FIFA will enforce it. But those are the two choices, either he ain't going, or FIFA will decide not to enforce the rule. On the one hand, giving up the rule would mean FIFA is siding with the G-14 against Africa, which would be going against recent trends. OTOH, how often do you see a tackle from behind get a straight red?
The problem is that most of the former youth players in this country that turn pro do so in MLS or the A-League, neither of which are in a position to pay fees to youth clubs. If the FC Delco's and Irvine Strikers etc... don't require a fee for players that play domesitcally, they can't have a double standard for players that go to Europe just because those clubs have deeper pockets. Further, the youth players in this country PAY to join the clubs. The clubs exist because the parents of the players shell out to pay for coaches, training facilities, insurance, etc... It would take a lot of nerve to charge kids to play for them then turn around and seek compensation for/from them from their new employer after you did what you were paid to do, which was get them ready for the next level of soccer. As for Onyewu and univerisites getting compensated, that is simply preposterous. Schools don't make IBM or Microsoft compesnate them when their students move on to their careers and they can't do the same thing for soccer players just because the soccer players' new employer happens to pay fees to other clubs.
I admit I didn't study the rules, just skimmed them, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count. Even if MLS was in a position to pay FC Delco, I don't think they'd owe them money. Plus, if the principle is in play for FC Delco, it wouldn't help FC Delco, unless had paid the kid's previous team. Here, we have CASL for the kiddies. We also have Triangle Futbol Club, which is more elite. Unless TFC pays CASL, they can't get any money from MLS. For example. That wasn't the question. The question wasn't whether Metz had to pay Clemson. The question was whether Metz had to pay the USSF. Read my post a little more carefully.
Amateur clubs don't get compensated for anything. They already get paid for the work they do, including Bethesda and the others. They are businesses (although many are registered as not for profit - another reason they wouldn't get a transfer fee). The rules are about clubs that are paying to train players and paying the players themselves. I think that's why some thought maybe a university could qualify, since they are paying for his development so to speak, but again, the player is not the property of the school and theoretically can leave whenever he wants.
USSF and US Law not = FIFA Regulations You all must remember that the US and USSF have not adopted the recent FIFA youth development compensation regulations, which call for clubs to reimburse other clubs once they sign a player. The compensation schedule varies a bit by country, but essentially, clubs that develop players as young as 12 years old get compensated. nothing like that exist here- hopefully it will soon. When Danny K recently signed with Arsenal, they gave his club in Roanake a sum of $35K just for goodwill. Once such a compensation regulation is implemented here in the US (and we must consider NCAA, and US youth labor laws when all of the analysis is done- and the USSF legal lackeys have apparently been working on it for nearly a year now- that coming from Dr. Bob) then we will see a huge surge in the focus on real development in the US- Bradenton style or other.
The difference dave, (and I can well understand USSF not being able to come up with a solution) is that there is no CONTRACT. When a player is "traded" or "sold" or "transferred", it is not the person that is sold. I'm not positive, but I think I read somewhere about a guy named Lincoln ending all that "selling human beings" stuff. Might have gotten it wrong. What is sold is a player's CONTRACT. If Freddy Adu has a compensation contract with USSF or Bethesda Screaming Meemies, then they can sell THE CONTRACT to whomever for whatever. But they can't ring up Sir Alex and say "Hey, Al baby, whattya say I sell you Freddy Adu? Nice guy, makes his bed and makes a mean paella." Flesh peddling is not the name of the game. Contract peddling is. "Registered" with USSF? Every freaking player who sets foot on a field in the USA, from the PDL (sorry - amateur contract, non-transferrable) to the U9 "Pink Ladies" in your local Saturday morning sandbox league, is "registered" with USSF. Are we selling these kids too? Does Adu's "current club" get compensated? Well, his current club is the US U17 team. Did ManU send Ellinger a nice check when they signed Jonathan Spector this summer? He came from exactly the same program. Did Eddie Gaven going into MLS straight from Bradenton mean Don Garber owes Dr Bob money? Come on people.
kayasoleil..."Remember?" Hell, I never knew!! Thanks for the info. Can you give me a link so that I can explore this more? In the case of the Bradenton kids, there's something going on. I mean, they aren't paying for room and board, are they? Actually, it's not the contract, either. In soccer, the new club opens wage negotiations with the player. I think what is sold is the player's registration. I'm just asking here, I really don't know. Is there just one kind of registration? Is Buffy registered just like Cobi Jones? Or are there an amateur and pro/potential pro categories? Did the USSF ask for one? I don't think so. Is it because they don't want to open the can of worms, because they think it'll kill Bradenton because no player who wants a college scholly will go there once all the litigation is finished? Is it because they couldn't get one? Is it because they're afraid they'll have to pay Delco FC if they do? I'm just asking.
Soccer Academy at Bradenton spends serious investment dollars on its players development. As much as any club should, Bradenton is a no brainer of deserving financial return on investment contributions from clubs that acquire their players for professional use. All of the American sports clubs need money to operate, of course they do.
I don't think they even make them wash dishes or peel potatoes. Just not fair. Heck, I could have been as good as any of them - mean, other than the speed, the agility and the talent, I had the whole package. They don't ALWAYS open up contract talks, do they? I'm certainly no expert either, but I thought that was because some players had deals where they had to approve the trade, and the "negotiations" were more like "briberations". Probably wrong. Hell, Buffy IS Cobi Jones. I believe there is a professional carding. Also, I think the players card directly with USSF rather than through USYSA. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it's the same. As my meager undestanding goes, USSF operates Bradenton out of general funds. It's stated purpose is to expedite player development, obviously. But since their objective is PLAYER development, not MLS development (the interests coincide but are not the same), it is probably all the same to them if Jonathen SPector goes to ManU or the Chicago Fire. In fact, they probably prefer ManU. But they can't charge MLS for these kids - for one thing, MLS has no money. So if you're not charging them, how can you charge foreign teams? USSF gets future National teamers, not cash. And as a non-profit, tax-exempt organization that's probably how it has to be. In any case, if Bradenton were to become a meat market, then the kids there would need to be called pros, have agents, all that. Eventually they'd want salaries. Not in anybody's best interest, IMO.
No one's forcing the Academy to provide such training. You could argue that they could require their charges to sign some sort of contract before they accept them, but then they might not get the cream of the crop.
What the hell is your point? I wasn't saying they're coddled or anything. I'm just raising an issue in the context of compensation for training. Yes. Always. You've obviously never played Championship Manager. Maybe the buying club ends up paying the same wages, but the start date and, therefore, end date will change. In all seriousness, the guys who make CM are fanatical about making the game realistic, even if it diminishes gameplay. You could learn alot about soccer economics if you played the game. That's a pretty big difference, there, IMO. Does anyone know the status of the Bradenton boys? Alot of rules are different for international and intranational transfers. I'm just sayin'.