Fernando Clavijo's "Jedi-mind trick" Mediocre!

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  1. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    :eek:Fernando Clavijo’s “Jedi-mind trick”

    How does this guy Clavijo, head coach at Colorado Rapids in MLS get otherwise intelligent people to hire him as a head coach? Does this guy have a Svengali affect or some form of the “Jedi-mind trick” over General Managers and team owners? He has had only one (1) real winning record and that was in 1997 as a semi-pro coach in a minor indoor league.

    At Colorado Rapids he has now and is on track to make another mediocre record of wins and losses this season despite having a superbly talented group of players now. It is not only obvious by many indicators but his history bares the same mediocracy as a head coach. This season thus far a mediocre .500 record losing 50% of his games, just as many losses as wins. His entire coaching history has been mediocre to poor results yet he continues to be hired by the next team. If he can't build winners, if he can't find or can't select the best players, if he has not got the eye for the talent, whatever the reason he is not the right man for these jobs. Sorry Colorado...fasten your seat belts. You have a good, very good list of players. The team will under acheive!:(

    Coach Clavijo
    Colorado Rapids
    current/
    2008 - 4 wins 4 losses
    2007 - 9 wins 13 losses 8 draws
    2006 - 11 wins 13 losses 8 draws
    2005 - 13 wins 13 losses 6 draws

    Haiti National Team
    2003-2005
    Gold Cup – Did not qualify
    World Cup – Din not qualify

    New England Revolution
    2002 15 wins 16 Losses 4 Draws (Best coaching year, 1st in the East, reached Final)
    2001 7 wins 14 Losses 6 Draws
    2000 15 wins 14 Losses

    Florida Thunder Cats
    Year Division League Reg. Season Playoffs Open Cup
    1998/99 N/A NPSL 4th, American East Did not qualify N/A
    Seatle Sea Dogs
    Year Record Regular Season Playoffs Open Cup
    1995 12-16 4th Western Did not qualify Did not enter
    1996 11-17 4th Western Did not qualify Did not enter
    1997 21-7 1st Western Champions Did not enter
     
  2. jimmyco

    jimmyco Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Aurora, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for pointing out something we have discussed to death in at least a dozen other threads.
     
  3. DavidJames

    DavidJames Member+

    May 11, 2003
    Longmont
    I would rank this thread slightly behind FC's coaching record in terms of creativity and value.

    But thanks anyway. Maybe your next expose should be on the wetness of water.
     
  4. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    I actually think this is a good thread, in 2000 he had 15 wins and 14 losses, a winning season -- who knew? Eight years later can he have his second (meaningful) winning season? So far statistically he is where he was right before the season opener, equal numbers of wins and losses. But with Thursday's performance we should be, and I think are, hopeful. Guess he uses that Jedi-mind trick on us too.
     
  5. scheck

    scheck Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The .500 statistic is a common way that success gets represented. Only 5 teams have "winning" records and to get a positive win-loss ratio, you have to be in the upper 3rd of the league.


    Being mediocre isn't best measured by a .500 record, it's best represented by your middle-of-the-pack finish in the league standings.
     
  6. smudgeyjoe

    smudgeyjoe Member

    Dec 15, 2001
    Westminster Colorado
    I wonder if former baller is one of those many players who ended up forever in Fernando's Doghouse. Of all the times in the last two years in particular, this is a time that Fernando's stock seems to be on the rise. Obviously, we might be feeling differently if we were in the Eastern Conference, but I am enthused by the personnel changes. Our team is younger and deeper and there don't seem to be untouchable players that start regardless of their performance as there seemed to be at times in the past. Typically, coaches can get too much credit both when the team does well and when it falls flat. I don't have any idea whether Fernando is the reason for our improvement. It just might be the new employees at the Mini-Donut stand, but whatever the reason, I like the changes.
     
  7. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    :p

    :DIs this you Fernando Clavijo? Is this the "Jedi-mind trick" ...to spin a web of drousiness as an explanation to owners & GMs at job interviews? Intelligent people, or even Team General Managers actually fall for that? Looking at his record I would also fire the General Managers for hiring him. There is a real possibility they did not ever look at the won loss records as listed above. I would not be surprised.
     
  8. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    Any particular reason you decided to wake up now, when we're leading the (admittedly weak) Western Conference and scoring at a better clip than almost every season in our history, instead of maybe 11 months ago? Or are you just trying to stir the pot because you have nothing better to do?
     
  9. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002

    Because you have good players now! It is more obvious to those of us outside of Colorado and sad for Rapids fans. Other coaches have figured out how to win, Clavijo has 13 years of coaching professional teams and never had a winning record!(except 1997 cisl) These players, this year, should have been a special one for you guys.
     
  10. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    To Fernando's credit - all those players except Pablo are his finds - and Rapids fans know what kind of talent we have. :rolleyes:
     
  11. scheck

    scheck Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Um, no, I'm telling you that 66% of the league won't have a .500 record because in soccer, there are ties. I'm actually surprised that you're still using this measurement of success even though you know clavijo won the east without a "winning" record.

    I'd have no problem if you were looking at clavijo's finish relative to other coaches, as in a single table comparison. Go ahead, make your point that way. To say that you're not a good coach unless you have a winning record is just false. You should fire two thirds of the league's coaches if that's the case.
     
  12. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    Scheck how can you defend 13, 14, 16, 17 losses a year, per year for thirteen years by this coach? Are you kidding. It is clear you support mediocre results.

    Winning coaches at Columbus Crew, Chicago Fire, and in previous years New England Revolution, Houston Dynamo, DC United, San Jose Earthquakes, Tampa Bay Mutiny, Miami Fusion, prove that winning with a winning season record and not a mediocre won loss record is possible. Note how winning has also rotated around the league to different teams and a variety of coaches but winning does not come to Clavijo? As for draws/tie games those were more failed or lossed opportunities to win, further causing the poor records or barely improving the season to mediocre.

    Sorry but the facts are the facts that is why the games are played on the field and the records stand for all to review.
     
  13. rockymtn.mike

    rockymtn.mike Member

    Jan 15, 2007
    Lochbuie, CO
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bermuda

    Eric Denton is that you ????
     
  14. Ace7

    Ace7 Member

    May 1, 2006
    Please reconcile this statement:

    With this one:

    BTW, thanks for your concern.
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To bring some facts to the discussion ;)

    2005 was the only year since the end of the Shootout where more than half the teams in the league had more wins than losses. 7 of the 12 teams.

    2007 and 2000 were the only years where less than half the league had more wins than losses. 5 out of 12 teams in 2000, 6 out of 13 teams in 2007.

    Every other season exactly half the teams had more wins than losses. This includes 2001, but since that was shortened after 9/11 we don't really know how that would have ended up.
     
  16. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002

    (13) THIRTEEN years of failure, get it? From ACE and a few others it is evident that there is an acceptance or complacency of losing and mediocraty. That maybe all you really have ever experienced and perhaps don't know anything different. What is the argument to support losing as many or more games than you can win, cereally, repeatedly, year after year? It is equal to going to school/university and failing year after year for thirteen years.

    Fire your coach! Coaches are routinely terminated for finishing in 2nd place or 3rd place. 2nd or 3rd place would be glorious for many "losers" the greatest glory they may possibly ever achieve. Yet winners don't tollerate failure when victories can be built, coached and acheived!!! Especially failure that runs for a decade and a half from the same coaches resume.
     
  17. Ace7

    Ace7 Member

    May 1, 2006
    Don't assume to know what other people accept, or what they have experienced, or what they know.

    So, you can't reconcile your two statements then?

    How many head coaches have you, as a fan, fired in your lifetime?
     
  18. fhnkeeper03

    fhnkeeper03 Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awww Man, Not this shit again...:rolleyes:
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, let me get right on that....

    Oh wait, I don't work for the Rapids. :rolleyes:
     
  20. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Jedi-mind trick? Hogwash! No, it's pictures and I don't know where Clavijo got them but I have to admit that Jeff Plush looks sorta cute in stiletto heels and push-up bra. :p
     
  21. miguel

    miguel Member

    Nov 26, 1998
    Hey dufus.... How many current MLS soccer coaches do you know who have been inducted into the US Soccer Hall of Fame? Name me a couple of these coaches, other than Fernando, and maybe I'll be able I'll be able to accept your definition of failure. You really sound like one of John Spencers" relatives who just can't him a job back here to Denver. Adios..
     
  22. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    I having played for Hall Of Fame coaches that have actually been inducted into the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame in Oneanta, New York for their coaching records, winning and accomplishments can tell you he is not a Hall of Fame Coach. We will excuse that you are honestly ignorant to not understand that Fernando Clavijo was not ever and if based on his current record will never be inducted into the Hall of Fame as a soccer coach! You may be confused Miguel.....Adios a ti amigo.
     
  23. miguel

    miguel Member

    Nov 26, 1998
    Dufus..... Someone once gave me this great advice.... "Never wrestle with pigs in the mud. The pigs love it and you'll just get covered with mud". In your case I'll make an exception...... click on the following link and then take your foot out of su boca..... adios:rolleyes:
    http://www.soccerhall.org/famers/Fernando_Clavijo.htm
     
  24. former baller

    former baller New Member

    Mar 10, 2002
    You are uneducated on what you speak. Ignorance does not silence your opinion. Ignorance causes you to voice it erroneously and more loudly. So it is not entirely understood by you that soccer players are inducted into the Hall Of Fame for their playing careers. Coaches are inducted into the Hall of Fame for their coaching careers. Others are inducted into the Hall of Fame for their contributions to the game.

    These disticntions are lost on you Miguel. The same had been earlier explained and now repeated again for your simple understanding. Clearly not understanding earlier, is not an insult. Perhaps you are a bit obtuse on this point, stubborn on this point. Once again in undisputed, clear, simple to understand, repeated again for your hard head, Fernando Clavijo, is not, was not, and by his current coaching record will not be inducted as a Coach into the Hall of Fame. He was inducted for his career as a player only. Get it. After he retired as a player he began the coaching career. His coaching career! Haaaahhahahahahaha Hall of Fame Coach hahahahahahahahah Miguel, you are so funny.:D

    Learn American Soccer History look up these Hall of Fame coaches.
    Anson Dorrance, Bob Guelker, Harry Keough

    Education will do you well. Learn how winning coaches earn their way into the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame.
     
  25. miguel

    miguel Member

    Nov 26, 1998
    See..... I told you it would happen once I started to wrestle...... My first post took exception to the use of the word "failure" as it relates to Fernando's career as a coach and as a player, and as it relates to what he has provided to soccer fans over the course of his career. However, I also object to the use of the word "ignorant" as it relates to me in regards to my limited soccer knowledge, so I'll continue this idiocy for one last post.

    To elaborate a bit on the concept of success or failure in the life of a professional soccer player in the United States of America. let me add my thoughts.

    The last time I visited the US Soccer Hall of Fame in Oneonta a few short years ago, there were 3 categories of inductees. There were "players", "veteran players", and there were "builders". (Today we have an extra category for soccer (3)news media/TV broadcasters)

    In the player/veteran player category there are a total of only 129 inductees who can claim this special honor. The first of these inductees go back over half a century of play in US Soccer Leagues. Included inthat list of 129 are the names of half a dozen MLS players (Balboa, Caligiuri, Ramos, Harkes, Lalas, Wynalda, and Fernando Clavijo). I consider that any man or woman who is selected for entry into this elite group of America's finest soccer players can not be deemed a failure. Nuff said!!!

    Oh yeah... The "builders" category..... this group contains the names of 141 American soccer supporters, administrators, owners and soccer coaches. As this "builders" category seems to be the area that Dufas wants to try to make his point, let me point out that the 141 names on this llist does not include any current, or past MLS coach. (Maybe next year Preki will have a shot at being the first MLS coach to be inducted, not as a player, but as a coach. this year he came in 2nd to Anson Dorrance with 67.97% of the vote. Bruce Arena and Bob Gansler were far behind at 48 an 44% respectively).

    So as far as my soccer ignorance goes, I'd like to see an answer to the original question I posed before I admit that what I posted is factually in error. "Which current (or past) MLS soccer coaches are in the US Soccer Hall of Fame?"

    Somehow I have the feeling that anyone who is selected into the soccer hall of fame as a player, as a coach, or as an supporter of US Soccer can ever be considered a failure. Nuff said over and out.....
     

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