Campeon Project for the League (hispanic ideas)

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by FenoFutbol, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa
    Again, this is not intended to offend anybody, these are just ideas mostly for Hispanic men that are hardcore on futbol just like me.

    I would think most of the white fans in this country are too busy with their traditional sports (mlb, tennis, nascar and golf) with the exception of the few of you that are second generation of europeans. The african american fans are more into the sports they do well such as basketball and football.

    The biggest or hottest market at this point should be the hispanics or latinos and it doesnt matter if you are a Mulato Brazilian from Miami, a brown Mexican from Houston, or a white Argentino from LA. when you come to the States you are another "Latino" who always find the way to play soccer in parks and watch soccer on cable tv. You cant imagine life withough soccer.

    I think if we do our part, then other "races" would do theirs.

    Here are my ideas, a lot of them old thoughts, some of them new. Im just putting everything together, and you can help if you want.

    What do you think MLS is still missing?

    1. Put the ball down, people that have played competitive soccer in latin america, would not the ping pong side of the game. I know is getting better, no only MLS but EPL is learning how to play good futbol now days. Get a few more "street" type of players that know nothing of crosses or volleys game.

    2. Sign Roman! I dont care if you are brown, yellow from Nicaragua... Riquelme is the real deal, Ronaldo and Adriano come to mind too.

    3. Sign at least 2 Mexican Megastars: Ochoa, Sanchez, Villaluz, Castillo, Bravo, Kikin, Bofo... you know who they are.

    4. You have Alturo Alvarez, get a Salvadoran: could be Quintanilla, Martins, Erazo, or some young talent from El Salvador, after the Mexicans, we are probably the biggest hispanic communities in the States... we are hardcore on futbol. Hondurans, Guatemalans, Panamenians and Costa Rican stars should be coming here too instead of going to Europe.

    5. Hire Hugo Lavolpe or El Ruso could be huge on ratings too but Hugo is the big guy out there.

    6. Pressure Univision and ESPN Deportes to put more MLS on the air, telemundo or galavision are not big enought. Univision and ESPND are the giants! MLS should be thinking on Televisa and Azteca America already.

    7. Play Copa Libertadores we want to see real competition. Do what you can to negociate with conmebol.

    8. Get "porristas" or "dancers" to the games, we love beautiful women.

    9. Get more competitive broadcasters to talk about MLS, this young broadcasters are boring. Get Jorge Ramos and su banda to talk more often of MLS, the same with Palomo and Kempes.

    10. Do more MLS Suenos... unfortunated latino kids love to feel they have a real shot on MLS. This "american idol" thing is increasing amazingly the popularity of MLS among Latinos, you should do it everywhere you can... Miami, New York... we need more Fredy Adus Chicanos or Salvis..

    11. Help USL to advertize more.. most latinos never heard of USL and have no idea that their is a second division soccer league in the States.

    All Stars game should be Latinos vrs the rest of MLS... haha this should be interesting.

    What else? I dont think Im missing anything do I?
     
  2. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quintanilla was already here. So was Pablo Brenes.

    Oh, BTW, you're insane.
     
  3. SxSxWxC

    SxSxWxC Member

    Mar 16, 2007
    Wyandotte Crossing
    Wow, not only are you an idiot but you're also racist.

    Congrats. :rolleyes:
     
  4. radmonkey

    radmonkey Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    I like #10.
    I mean Jorge Flores is already on the u-20 US team.
    Who knows who else they could find.

    Although, the 2nd paragraph is pretty retarded and ignorant. I don't think he's being racist, he's not calling to exclude other ethnicities to make room Hispanics. But but his main point is to make a bigger effort to include Hispanics, since you know...they like the sport already. Although I think about 1/3 of MLS fans are Hispanic anyway.
     
  5. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eder Arreola scored and he's with the U17s.

    And I still think the OP is insane.
     
  6. trip76

    trip76 Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    North East USA
    it was really that popular eh? i'd say it would be a great idea to do in all the other markets, even just to find a potential hidden gem that came up outside the system.
     
  7. Darth Cereal

    Darth Cereal Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I'm hispanic so I'll have a go at this.

    Well considering the average height of Hispanic players. You're right, the long ball doesn't work in Latin America. But thankfully, the majority of American players are tall with longer legs and longer strides. Therefore, the long ball, although not always excuted right, is a viable method of advancing into your opponents' half of the field

    Dream on! ALthough I feel that an MLS GM calls everywhere around the world to find out the cost and ability to acquire whatever player in the world. Boca or whatever team could just be asking too much for MLS GMs to even consider these types of players for MLS.



    Are you kidding me?!? Mexican soccer is at a low point. These players can't win the Gold Cup or even qualify for the Olympics. These players do not excite me at all and I'm Mexican.

    Maybe MLS GMs just don't think these players are good enough. Although I do feel that Central America can be MLS' "Africa." Same skin color too!!! ;)

    Would they even want to coach in MLS? Hey Hugo, if your reading, do you want to coach in MLS?

    ESPN Deportes already shows ESPN 2's MLS Thursday Primetime. As for Univision, this is why they created Telefutura. Univision is Televisa. Azteca America only concerns themselves with Mexican soccer. Why would they care about MLS? Go ask them and report back by next week.

    Oh gawd. BS' #1 priority for some reason. Last night Chivas played Santos in a not so packed stadium. Seems to me that even Mexican soccer fans don't take the Liberatadores that seriously.

    Got to agree on this one though.

    Ramos sucks balls dude. He constantly gets the names of the players mixed up. I think he makes watching Mexican soccer teams on FSE a chore to watch cause of his constant screw ups. And this isn't MLS' call. Again go find out if FSE/ESPN Deportes will talk more about MLS and report back next week.

    Considering the first one just ended, give the teams more time to evaluate the process and have another one next year. Geez!

    Again not MLS' responsibilty. Would you like to give MLS the reponsibilty to fixing the Israeli/Palestine conflict?

    Not really. All-star games blow. And Latinos can play a boring game as well.

    Other than knowing that a lot of these are not MLS' reponsibility then no. You gave us another funny post. Funny enough for me to :rolleyes: and actually respond.
     
  8. CACuzcatlan

    CACuzcatlan Member

    Jun 11, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS can't just give teams entry into Copa Libertadores. CONMEBOL decides who participates. We managed to get DC United in Copa Sudamericana but they didn't do too well. Until we can prove ourselves at international level, South America isn't going to let us into their most prestigious tournament.
     
  9. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    we dont need copa libertadores plus we are concacaf not comebol and we have our own tourney... callll CCC/CCL
     
  10. Ronrio

    Ronrio New Member

    Apr 6, 2008
    Don't think MLS teams are ready for the Copa Libertadores yet. Also, how about Asian Americans? Why are you completely neglecting that market? They have a significant population on both coast. That MLS Sueno thing has been tried, it was called the Freddy Adu show. How can you mention big name coaches without mentioning Jose Morniho? he's out of work. There is indication that MLS is now more focus on the already existing soccer fan who isn't interested in MLS. Before they were trying to lure the NFL, NBA,MLB and NHL fan to MLS and that didn't work so well. You do have some good ideas but you might wanna consider a better way to word it so it wont come across as borderline racist. Just offering some advice.
     
  11. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa

    The sooner MLS is ready for CLibertadores the better.

    Asian Americans? well it was more for "hispanics" or "latinos" but you're right I should have mentioned.

    Mourinho is too expensive for MLS I think. Heck if we can afford Mourinho, lets get Cristiano too!

    Where is the racism?
     
  12. IlliniOnFire

    IlliniOnFire Hostile AND Abusive

    Oct 8, 2006
    Southern Illinois
    ugh... i hate these posts...

    every freaking team has a spanish website, most teams broadcast on spanish radio (heck, I can't even listen to fire games in English, unless they changed it this year)... about 14% of the leagues games are broadcast on TV in spanish-only on a network few people outside of concentrated latino populations get, and there is an entire team named after a Mexican franchise... and another team named after a Spanish club...

    We are told that every single person who lives, or traces their ancestry to somewhere south of El Paso, TX is soccer crazy...

    Seriously, Latino's get a pretty big billing in this league... people around here act like they are the only people in the United States that like or care about soccer...
     
  13. Nerroth

    Nerroth Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Ontario, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    As an aside, would there be at least one MLS territory where it would be worth setting up a Portuguese-language site, or supporters' group, or media service, or whatnot?

    Toronto (and Montréal, if they ever get in) would have their own communities of expats from Portugal and Brazil, as would several US cities - plus if MLS wishes to market itself to Latin American audiences (or players, looking for foreign leagues to try out) Brazil would be worth considering, what with it being the largest and most populous country in the Americas after the US, and a world soccer powerhouse to boot.


    Also, technically there would be another 'Latin' community involved if Montréal does get in - the francophone followers of Impact and others within French Canada who might be interested in cheering on a Montréal MLS team in the future... or who may be cheering for TFC already.

    Though if they do support Toronto, what would they make of how the fans' French is, when used in the "Qu'est-ce que vous chantez?" chants?
     
  14. ssanchez

    ssanchez Member

    Oct 15, 2000
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow how could MLS not take this post and do everything exactly backwards. You have spoken as shomeone who has no clue about this league. You are on these boards so often claiming to be this great knowledge base of soccer. The truth is all you have are your narrow and racially tinted opinions that have a grain of truth and a ton of bullshit. Oh by the way Quintanilla tried out a couple of clubs and was not merrited good enough.
     
  15. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa
    fact

    ¨most salvadorans love pupusas¨

    racism

    ¨ salvadorans only eat pupusas¨

    saying most white american male sport fans love mlb, nascar, golf, tennis, poker, fishing and all their sports is racism or a fact?

    saying most african americans sport fans are more into basketball and football is racist?

    Its a fact, hispanics and most latinos love futbol, we love it!

    outside of germany and liverpool no other long ball style team ever dominated any soccer competition. very few exceptions. ping pong style must die ;)

    there should be mls sueno in chicago too, why not ¨mls dream¨

    ive met many asians that are into soccer but most asians are into martial arts and cars...

    jews and arabic are hardcore on soccer just like latinos, this is based on what i´ve experienced here in LA.

    I say 3 mexican megastars along with Hugo, Riquelme, Ronaldo or Adriano would make this league hot and spicy as we like it.

    i know quintanilla went to try out to argentina but was no happy with the money he was offered, he also rejected some offers to go northern europe somewhere. quintanilla played for dc when young.. what other mls team he tried out for? when?

    did you know that bc of the quantity and quality of argentinos coming to mexico, there is Mexican soccer live in Argentina? bad or good business?

    you´re right mexicans are no taking copa lilbertadores seriously anymore, they are realizing they prob never win it...

    why dont we get all the honduran young players that won the olympic qualifying :cool:
     
  16. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me get this straight, because you are Mexican we have to market the league towards hispanics?

    MLS wants to attract hispanic fans, but they most certainly don't want them as their only fans.

    If MLS does everything you say, I'd stop watching. Thanks for alienating fans.
     
  17. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa
    Let me get this straight, because you are Mexican we have to market the league towards hispanics?

    MLS wants to attract hispanic fans, but they most certainly don't want them as their only fans.

    If MLS does everything you say, I'd stop watching. Thanks for alienating fans.


    dude youre makin it sound like we want another ¨hater¨ league.

    thats no the case, this are just ideas of how to make the league more watchable for hispanics.

    if you are a white boy, well give you white boys ideas on what you want for the league on your own ways. most latinos prefer short women with big butt, does that means everybody should prefer short women?

    latinos are going crazy with mls lately with blanco, piojo and all them, with the mls sueno thing.

    just come out with your own ideas of bringing your people to the games.

    as long as there is great soccer, i dont care who they bring or what they do... but again, great soccer is no there, and mls is no going for the ccc final this year, and mls is no even half as good as copa libertadores clubs...
     
  18. radmonkey

    radmonkey Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    Wait what?
    Why, all the things he mentioned wouldn't change how MLS is presented. In fact, they're already happening. They're not alienating anyone.

    He basically said...sign Roman Riquelme....uhhh....really this would alienate you? http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaTphJwTYw
    Or El Bofo http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUBx_x_Xvk
    Really, you don't want someone like that on your team? :rolleyes:
    I'm sorry if dynamic playmakers with scoring skills offend you.
    Are you the Red Bulls GM? "No thanks, no flashy South American #10 for us...We prefer an oft injured Mexican-American holding mid for our 2nd DP instead." :D

    This wouldn't affect to fans that don't watch spanish coverage. Also he called for better announcers, which is a good point. MLS announcers sorta blow, especially on the local level.

    Cheerleaders?
    How is that different than the Dallas Cowboys or any NBA team.

    How is this a bad thing, all the top teams in the Premier League have moved away from the British style and moved to a more continental style. Mixing the best from Italy, Spanish, French and Dutch based on possesion. Which is the basically the same as Latin American style. Although due more to a lack height in the past.
    England tended to have muddier pitches and you're not going to get a lot of those beautiful combination passes if you play in a bog. Also, even in it's very early days, there was distrust against passing in general. It took the Scots to beat them at their own game to teach them the folly of their views.
    But come on, which team would you rather see Arsenal now or Arsenal in of the late-60s and 70's.


    No, he didn't say that at all he said that MLS would draw more people if they just took the time to market to people who love soccer but perhaps haven't felt welcomed in the past or have discounted the league for it's presentation. You know, football lines, empty stadiums, woeful play (circa 1996-1998).

    So yeah....how would this alienate you as a non-hispanic fan? That's right...it wouldn't...you already watch MLS and love to post here. Much like the original poster.
    The point is to entice hispanics that watch other leagues to give MLS a shot and you know what...it's done wonders for Chicago. Also, wee you at the Mexico-Brazil game in Foxborough? Wasn't the atmosphere great? It sure looked great on TV.

    If you're at the home games and watching ESPN, FSC, Comcast/whatever your local outlet is. You wouldn't see a difference at all. Unless you know, you wouldn't like to sit next to 5,000 hispanic fans. In that case...that's your problem not theirs.

    I thought the whole point of MLS was to draw people of all walks of life. Not you know...make it into a private little club for some of us.
     
  19. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS Caters enough to Spanish Speakers and they(MLS) has benefite only from that Market. they(MLS) need to improve there product presentation of the game to toher audiences especially in the grass roots and also should try to get another Cable channel like USA or VS to show games along ith the Espns.
     
  20. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa
    this is a good point.

    since the minute mls started, players such as Etcheverry, Cienfuegos, Diaz Arce, Valderrama, Hurtado and many more were brought... why? bc the League would not live withouth hispanics... this may sound paintful to some of you but like most US sport fans said "soccer is a foreign sport." and by that, they mean... soccer is for "mexicans, south and central americans and a few european immigrants in our country."

    the players mentioned before were the pioners and founders of MLS along with Prekki, Mathaus, Donadoni, Nowak...

    I agree that MLS was always interested in hispanic audiences, but I dont think to say "enough" is right. No is not enough, or maybe they had no clue and how to advertize the "masses" and the competitive hispanic fans.

    My uncle who played pro in El Salvador has been in LA for almost 20 years maybe even more... he always though of MLS as "paintfull" to watch... instead he became a Mexican League follower instead of MLS.

    How does a Salvadoran or an Uruguayan that comes to the US instantly becomes a mexican soccer fan? Most Salvadorans that live in El Salvador hate mexico... Well, the answer is Univision! If Univision does a better job on MLS, maybe we wont have soccer fans following mexican soccer in the US.

    Yes MLS has done a good job lately but is not enough. We want more ;)

    Hispanics would bring more money to the league, next thing you know, Cristiano Ronaldo would be signing with the Red Bulls... oh wait, they dont like latin matadores in new york ;)
     
  21. glyconerd

    glyconerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Uzbekistan
    lol, another fantastic rant from the Salvadorian lawyers son.

    Hey, Fenofutbol, Chivas USA just signed two young Salvadorians. Gerson Mayen and Briant Reyes. Flores and Mayen have been called up to the US U-20 sides.. Who says Chivas USA doesn't give opportunities to young hispanics. Happy now?
     
  22. FenoFutbol

    FenoFutbol Red Card

    Dec 12, 2005
    Aguilucho Villa
    whats wrong with being salvadoran son a lawyer? :cool:

    if you ask me what i've preferred, i will love aguila to come to the US and have a CD Aguila USA ;) it will be great in a country with millions of cuzcatlecos that love the game of futbol. but again i couldnt see a club deportivo aguila in mls, salvadoran soccer is too fancy and shiny for a kick ball league. i know i know we havent win anything in a while but again is no like any of you were borned in honduras ;)

    so what are your ideas to have a better league? any other hispanic or latino wants to bring constructive or interesting ideas to talk about it?
     
  23. radmonkey

    radmonkey Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    I totally never got all the hate towards Mexico. I'm Mexican and have been around Mexican's all my life (In the US and in Mexico) and I have never, ever heard someone say something about Central Americans.
    Seriously, we talk crap more about Mexican's from other regions and the dutch. :D
    Even my non-hispanic friend in Guatemala mentioned that she noticed it in general and especially during the Gold Cup.
     
  24. glyconerd

    glyconerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Uzbekistan
    I don't think importing players is the answers..It's all about the developing US youth player! Ethnicity need not apply.

    How long to you think it'll be before galaxy sign a few young Hispanics/Salvadorians?

    You're supporting the wrong team....... Nah, I'm just kidding, keep on rooting for the galaxy you crazy fame hunter. :D
     
  25. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    mLS needs to sponsor more soccer to the streets type functions and coaching clinics for free especially in potential expansion cities like here in Atlanta. bring soccer to the Hood..
     

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