Tony Caig - Dynamo don't renew contract

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by Offebacher, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. OrangeTica

    OrangeTica Member

    Nov 30, 2007
    213/214 beeches
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract



    OH MY GOD THAT IS HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me why im the only one who got that joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAAAAAA (sandlot)

    sorry, that made me laugh out loud at work ;;;;; jaaaaaaaahaaaa!
     
  2. SenorCool

    SenorCool Member

    Apr 10, 2006
    In a House
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    This is what irritates me, Sam. You have no clue what it is like to be on a field in front of a crowd like that, on a surface like that, with players that his shots like that. You talk about being such a die hard supporter of all Houston sports, yet you are quick to throw a guy under the bus when he has a couple of poor games. Hell, I guess that by your logic, we should have thrown every Houston team under the bus after they struggled. This years Rockets team should have just stopped playing after November, right?

    Until people stand in the goal and stop the shots that Caig didn't, you have no business being a backseat goalkeeper. I defended Caig on Sunday's game, and I will defend him on the first goal. It was deflected and skidded off of that carpet. Unless you have quicker than cat like reflexes, that is an incredibly tough save to make. I have seen keepers have shots deflected between their legs, so it happens. If it had happened to Pat, would you guys be bashing him? By your logic Sam, probably. The second goal was not his fault, and I think we can all agree on that. Watch the breakdown in the defense on the third goal and as a keeper, I can understand Caig's decision to go out and try to make a play. Do I think that goal could have been avoided? Maybe, but what is to say that the Saprissa player, who had already beaten the defense, doesn't dribbles in and sends a rocket by Caig. Then you guys would probably blast Caig for stayin on his line, right?

    As someone who has PLAYED goalkeeper and coaches goalkeepers now, I can honestly say that Caig looks like a goalkeeper that has lost a lot of his confidence, but in all honesty, look at what he has had in front of him. Sunday, we had an older defense that could not match up with speed of FC Frisco runs and it left Caig hung out to dry. Last night, you had 1 of your starting back four on the field, and as hard as they tried, it was just not going to work.

    Stay positive Dynamo fans. Dom knows what he is doing and I am sure he knew what he was doing when he brought in Caig. Have faith, because all of this negativity is pissing me off!
     
  3. brahmafutbol

    brahmafutbol Member+

    Jan 29, 2006
    East Bernard, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    I wasn't happy with the first goal he gave up last night, then the third, but in between I don't think he was bad at all.

    What I was thinking about was what happens on the plane ride home. How do his teammates treat him? Do they try to pick him up, or do they ostracize him, or what? It's not like he's been around very long, and who knows how long he will be with them, so what are the dynamics in that relationship?

    I really feel bad for him now. I don't know what the future holds for him, but hopefully if he stays on the team he becomes a great keeper. :D
     
  4. metroag

    metroag Da Bomb Diggity

    Mar 2, 2006
    La hacienda
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    regardless if we through the exmagpie under the bus-we might need to look for a quality 3rd keeper-someone cheap since they are a 3rd keeper but someone that has experience too.

    Paul Grafer is floating around somewhere-still the only keeper in NY history to win a playoff series-and was People Mag's "most sexist bachelor". Last I saw he retired and then came back and was playing in the A League somewhere.

    Wow-Bobby and Paul on the same team-they are so dreamy.

    But seriously-we may need to get another guy.

    Cool's right-the boy is shell shocked now and that may be tough thing to overcome if he gets over it all.
     
  5. schwabe13

    schwabe13 Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    in the best MLS town
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Good post !

    Who else do we have just NOW ? Waller, ok lets try him .

    In Dom I trust
     
  6. skajules

    skajules Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Cypress, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    He can't be any worse than Caig, plus his name would be pretty cool to chant when he makes a save:

    Cor-bin Wall-er, clap clap, clap clap clap!

    Give him a chance, Dom!
     
  7. cowboypb

    cowboypb Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    The Bayou City
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Uh yeah - not so much. Sam may have been overly harsh - so what? It is his opinion and as a supporter has a right to voice his thoughts. By your logic nobody has a right to say anything unless they have done it? That argument does not fly. Wow - I have never been President of the United States but I have no right to comment on any of his bone-headed statements or acts? I have never done a lot of things - including being a professional keeper- sorry, I pay for multiple season tickets - I support the team by buying merchandise and supporting sponsors - but I have no right to say anything unless I have played professional soccer?

    C'MON . . . .
     
  8. Offebacher

    Offebacher Member

    May 14, 2006
    Houston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    All that aside, if you want to see a Goalie truly give away a game and rip your heart out by himself, I suggest you find a video of the Getafe - Bayern Uefa Cup match today. Tony Caig has nothing on this guy, Roberto Abbondanzieri for Getafe.
     
  9. Dynamo Dave

    Dynamo Dave Member

    Aug 25, 2006
    Rural East Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Yeah, That is what I thought too.:)

    He litterally gave the game win to Bayern .
    It begs the question, "What was he thinking?? " All within 5 minutes and seconds to spare.

    Pato was destroyed at the final whistle. LMAO:D
     
  10. AeroSquire1836

    Feb 13, 2007
    HOUSTON
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    the prez has never done anything as boneheaded as letting in a goal during a ccc match. c'mon. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Dre00

    Dre00 Member

    Oct 12, 2005
    H-town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Not to derail the thread, but what happened? I was watching that game but had to go back to work at HT with Getafe up 1-0.
     
  12. SenorCool

    SenorCool Member

    Apr 10, 2006
    In a House
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract


    I am not saying. I just don't think we throw the guy under the bus and call him a SHITE keeper for two poor performances. Following the logic of this thread, if Tracy McGrady has two bad games and the Rockets lose them both, we should release him. We will agree that is not good. This guy has been around for a while and has played for some pretty decent sides, so obviously he has done things right. Do I think he could play better? Absolutely.

    My problem is with people who get on here and say, "Caig can't play for my daughters team." or "I could have made thos saves." That is ludicrous, and we know it. Can a fan criticize a player for not playing well? Absolutely, but let's keep it in perspective.

    Here are some things I will say, and I think they make a point towards the results as well.

    1. Our midfield play was well below our normal level of play. We struggled to connect passes and very rarely did we get the ball out to the wings, where we owned Saprissa in Houston. Not being able to control the midfield puts more strain on the defense and keeper. You can't defend against Saprissa for 90 minutes and hope to keep them off the board.

    2. The first goal skidded after it deflected off of Ianni. The guys are playing on a surface they were not used to (Don't give me this, "We played in New England" argument because not every field turf surface is the same.) and that can affect things. I truly think that Caig started to committ to make the first save and once it deflected off of Ianni and hit the turf, Caig did not have enough time to react to make the save. It happens.

    3. Third goal. You are struggling in the goal, and have given up 5 goals in less than 2 games. Your confidence is waning, and now you see an attacker behind the defense with a bouncing ball. Are you going to:
    A. Let him settle, dribble in and rip one past you.
    B. Go out and challenge and hopefully make a play to get some confidence back.
    I am ok with Tony's decision to come out at that point. He is trying to make a play, and desperate times call for extreme plays. Again, it happens.

    Again, you can criticize the team any way you want, but don't be unrealistic and think that you can do better, unless you truly think you can do better, and then, by all means, go try out and go for it. When you give up goals that Caig would stop, I will say so!
     
  13. brahmafutbol

    brahmafutbol Member+

    Jan 29, 2006
    East Bernard, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Uh, are you talking about our prez?
    :confused:
     
  14. cowboypb

    cowboypb Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    The Bayou City
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Listen, part of how these forums work is that they provide an outlet for fans to release their frustration. True fans have passion and people that have passion for their team and are emotional sometimes need to vent - as such their comments may tend toward hyperbole. Hence, you may hear someone say that they don't believe Caig could play for their daughter's youth team - it may not have perspective but do you really believe it? Do you think they really believe it or are they venting frustration on an easy target? Let's face it - he is an easy target - sure there was no offensive scoring from the Dynamo but that won't stop people from fixating on Caig.

    As far as never being in Caig's position, so how could people criticize? They do it every day - people make uninformed comments and decisions about things that are much more important in life than the performance of a backup keeper in a CCC match. Why would you think that this would be an exception? I am not saying it is right, but its not a surprise. People have a right to express their opinions and frustrations - even if they are not as well informed as yours.

    I really do appreciate your prespective - your analysis and explanation based on your experience and observations far outweighs my own understanding of the game and Caig's performance. I won't argue with you over it. It may even make me understand and feel a little bit better about it, will it completely sway my opinion over my frustration and emotion from the loss? Well maybe not yet . . .
     
  15. Offebacher

    Offebacher Member

    May 14, 2006
    Houston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    AS it relates to our situation: 10 Man Getafe is winning 3:1 with about 4 Minutes to go in the second OT, when Old Man Pato decides to out do our TC. And how. Can you guess the outcome without going to the link?

    http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/fixturesresults/round=15122/match=301969/index.html

    There is no video on that link, but i will find one eventually, cause you have to see it to believe it.
     
  16. webfoot

    webfoot Member

    Apr 30, 2007
    Corpse in Houston, spirit in Portland
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Maybe I can explain the frustrations of the anti-Caig camp. For starters, dude does get paid to stop shots, the people paying his salary (directly or indirectly) don't get paid to stop shots. What we have witnessed in these two games is a repeat of the same type of goals/situations, which is frustrating. Two shots from roughly the same area with not a lot of pace have gone under his right armpit. Two breakaways have resulted in extreme and opposite measures failing miserably. First, he couldn't figure out whether or not to come off his line and got chipped. Last night, well, if he was any further out he would have been part of the offside trap. To us mere supporters we are frustrated by the appearance of an extremely limited keeper.

    Contrast this with Pat Onstad. Remember last year vs Dallas? When Mulrooney sprung one of their forwards on a clean breakaway Onstad didn't get the ball but he sure as hell got the man. Red card, yes. Goal, no.
    What we are saying here is DO SOMETHING!!!

    Keepers don't make their money on ordinary saves. Right now, the Dynamo need a keeper that can make an :eek: OMG save, on top of not letting in soft goals. It can't be one or the other.

    Yes, the team defense shares the blame here. I don't see a giant Bobby Boswell fan club forming yet, so it's not all Caig. However, at least Onstad has made the initial save, or been torched by someone we would all give our left nut to see in Dynamo gear.

    Caig has got to step it up.
     
  17. dustcowpoke

    dustcowpoke Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    That is not even some of our expectations. We aren't even asking for any unbelievable saves.

    The truth is no professional keeper should let two balls roll under him like that unless he is trying to make the keeper blooper highlight reels on Youtube.

    We don't ask for world class saves... just routine stuff.

    Right now Caig makes Calamity James' mistakes look miniscule. He can't judge angles anymore than a 1st grade math student.
     
  18. TX Bill

    TX Bill Member+

    Apr 3, 2006
    Sugar Land TX
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    And herein lies the money quote.

    Here's another example of how forums work Cowboy.

    When someone makes uniformed comments, they are more than likely going to be taken to task for those comments and heaven forbid, called out for them.

    Again, that just how a forum generally operates. If someone wants to make what would reasonably be perceived as an insensitve or harsh comment, then it's reasonable to expect that they'll get a reaction from one or more members for that comment.

    Personally, my stance towards Caig is that he's not that bad of a goalkeeper but two howlers in two matches is probably a little much for him to overcome at the professional level and it's not uncommon for a GK to be dropped for those types of mistakes as they're usually magnified by a resulting goal.

    I felt the our own supporters were a little more than unfair at the Dallas match "cheering him on" when he secured a ball. I genuinely felt bad for the guy as here was his chance to show the coaches, his teammates, and the supporters that he could be a useful addition to the team. I also don't ever remember a time where our own supporters really did that to one of our own. Kelly Gray perhaps? Unfortunately it's all gone pear-shaped for Caig and I believe is position as backup is untenable.

    That's really too bad too as I think one good game from him would undoubtedly boost his confidence but I just don't see it happening.
     
  19. cowboypb

    cowboypb Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    The Bayou City
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    LOL - we agree more than you probably think. But not for the same reason . . .

    Anyway, if Caig is not really all that bad - you think that Dom will get rid of him anyway? Dom doesn't strike me as someone who would bow to pressure if he thought a player was capable. But maybe it goes back to Cool's comments regarding confidence.
     
  20. metroag

    metroag Da Bomb Diggity

    Mar 2, 2006
    La hacienda
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Anyone see a Bobcat around here? I saw one score in NY last week.
     
  21. The Frenchman

    The Frenchman Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Katy
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    It's easy to bag on Caig - I did my share of Caig bashing today at work. I'd like to say that my 82 year-old gramma would do better. However, Caig is fresh, so to speak. I amwilling to chalk it up to lack of confidence - he didn't come from the best of clubs either. Gretna doesn't even exist anymore. You know Pat is in his ear. Hopefully he'll get his act together for KC. I've talked to a few coaches and pretty much the consensus is that you can't teach someone to be a GK - it's either in you or it isn't. Being a position player, you can can be taught how to move and control the ball, pass through the gaps, and mark players. GK is different. It takes a lot more skill than your average player and I tend to believe that most people don't take that into consideration. I WILL admit that I'm not sold on Caig. Maybe it's the way we played last night and laid an egg in international competition. Do I think Dom will pull the plug on Caig if he doesn't straighten out? YOU BET! That being said, I understand that the Dynamo have a hectic schedule and can't solely rely on Pat and need Caig. One has to admit that we have been spoiled with the Pat. He's a class-act and knows how to play. He stopped a PK in the finals and won us a Cup! Who wouldn't love him? I think Dom would pull the plug on Ashe than Caig IMO. The loss to Saprissa is a tough pill to swallow given that we had an opportunity to do something special and we failed. I can forgive him for the Dallas game, but this is harder to forget. We just need to get healthy and I'm sure Dom will get things clicking. Remember, IN DOM WE TRUST. Let him work his skills and hopefully he's had a looooooong conversation with Caig since they returned from San Jose.
     
  22. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    If they keep sending Caig out there (if Onstad is out) it's like when the Astros kept sending Lidge out to "gain confidence" and he would get shelled - it demoralizes the player and the team
     
  23. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    I don't know, I don't know . . . I am conflicted. TC is a member of our team and my heart wants to support him. He has had two tough games; in the larger scheme it isn't that many. On the other side, it has been his only two games. he is a veteren and a professional who gets paid to be good at his job. Listen, our defense is a mess right now, and I do not tag TC with 6 goals. But two can be credited to him and even the breakaways (I do not blame him for Dallaaaasss) he does not look confident or comfortable.

    I am going to cheer him on and hope that he steps it up and settles into the role. That being said, as a fan and only a fan, I don't know how many more chances we can afford to give him before we make a move.
     
  24. zolafan

    zolafan Member

    Aug 10, 2004
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    just emphasizing the parts of this post that summarize it for me - that first goal was practically an own goal. Caig is already diving to the left post when Ianni deflected the shot (and as someone pointed out, I think on post-game thread, shot looked like it would have gone wide left initially). It looked bad because the ball deflected underneath him as he's already in the air, but it sure seems tough to react in a fraction of a second like that to the deflection.
    that play came off the goal kick following Mullan's near miss of a header. as the wire story mentioned, Houston's defense got caught too far upfield on the kick, I think it was an attempted header by Cameron that instead went toward the Houston goal, ended up with a two on one, don't recall who the defender was. Caig came out to clear, when the free guy got to the ball first and cut to the right to go around him.

    I guess no one has ever seen a game where a team taking chances while behind gets caught on a counter, nor has a keeper ever been rounded by an attacker in the entire history of soccer.

    And jumping back to Sun, I posted in the postgame thread, though not here, a quote from Caig from my ASN story that he felt Cooper's shot on the first FCD goal took a deflection, that is, it was an unintentional lob shot. And I'm not entirely sure he was wrong, when I looked at the tape.
     
  25. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Tony Caig - 1 year contract

    Of course not, all I know is that Hakeem woulda made that save and he's damn near 50!

    Good for you, you can also pay his rent cuz he's quickly playing himself outta a job Bryan. No two ways about that Coach.
     

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