Arsenal v. Liverpool (Big Ears 1/4) First Leg - April 2nd [R]

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  1. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last night that was job #1 after giving up the first goal -- when we scored 1-1 became the plan and hope that we'd get them on the counter -- would have worked too if they didn't have Gallas in their side. I think we'd be celebrating a victory but for him. At Anfield we need to find a way to put Sendhimoff under some real pressure.
     
  2. jinog

    jinog Member

    Dec 24, 2007
    Lincoln
    Well, the personal stuff is pointless, why I support Arsenal, how many games I go to blah blah blah. Pointless dude because this is an internet forum. For all we know you'd rather spend time with your mother's vibrator than go to a Liverpool game. However, should you like to meet up sometime, I'd more than happily explain what allocations my ticket holds and why I support Arsenal. That is of coure, as long as you wouldnt steal the wheels off my car, but then again, this is an internet forum, are you even living in Liverpool? ... You know, I dont really actually care.

    As for the game: you lot caved in. Simple as. You grabbed the goal and gave up. Fair one if thats your fine extension of Liverpool tradition. I see it more as being afraid to play football. But as I said, if you win fair 1. But do you honestly believe that with a competent ref, and against Man U, Barca or Chelsea, that that style of play will be a success? I totally think not. Sh1t you were lucky with the result last night. Thats fair enough, thats football. But Liverpool - last night, I dont give a sh1t about tradition - played awful, like pus sies. And this historical sh1t - what does it matter? In recent history we've done far better than you, but what the fu ck does that contribute to last nights game? Yeah it proves you've lost the attacking quality of previously successful Liverpool sides, and like to play deep and hope to fu ck Gerrard or Torres can nick one. This will work time and again against the Derby's, West Ham's, Birmingham's - but not against the good sides. As your league form has constantly proved.

    And, lol, your reaction seems anything but having a 'chuckle'. Good one dude.

    I guess you actually have told yourself then that Liverpool deserved the draw last night? That the way played justified getting the draw? I dont. But I also dont care, because at the end of the day you got the result. However, play like that in Anfield, and I think your out. Even if you get through, that performance wont carry you to the final.

    As for the Arsenal not that way thing - I truly couldnt watch that football all the time. It's sh1t from a fans persepctive. I you enjoy it though, fair one. But dont let your support blind reality mate ...
     
  3. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    :D We'll consider the moral high ground well and truly occupied for the time being then, shall we?

    Errr ... no we didn't. Caving in would mean losing. As in, getting beat. As in, letting the other team score (with or without the help of their own strikers). Caving in is what Arsenal did at Old Trafford in the FA Cup.

    [​IMG]

    My comments on the game are available for all to see in this very thread.

    Like I said, it is a hard one for Wenger era "fans" to grasp, but if you ever do go to see Arsenal play, ask some of the people sitting around you what it was like before that.

    They'd welcome the chance for a conversation, I'm sure. Not much else going on in the stands at The Emirates.
     
  4. acemajestic

    acemajestic New Member

    Mar 14, 2008
    ISTANBUL
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    penalty ! penalty ! penalty ! ARSENAL 2 LİVERPOOL 1 (TRUTH RESULT)

    BUT NOT İMPORTANT 0-2 ARSENAL WİLL WİN SECOND GAME ....
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  5. jinog

    jinog Member

    Dec 24, 2007
    Lincoln
    We?! No, I. Go fu ck a donkey :p


    Sorry about that then .................... But still, I can only remember 1 team playing last night. The other, you lot I believe, simply sat in your half and hoped for the best. Have I read the game incorrectly?



    Im not even going to pretend I looked at the link ...


    Well, its not important enough to me to go trawling that quag mire of filth ...


    Well, right now, we could get into whos been to most games this year ... but you know whats the point. If you got some balls we could meet sometime and discuss said topic. Bring your mother along, you never know, the urge could appear at anytime and my mother wont do strangers, just friends and animals.

    I also feel you have a bit too much time on your hands. Lol, you post quite promptly and repetitively, as in again and again and again and again ...

    Find something else to do and give the computer back to whoever you stole it off you'll feel good, I know this isnt something Scousers often get to feel :D

    Anyway thief, thats my monthly few posts done, maybe speak to you again one day. But to be honest, Id rather get home tonight, have a smoke and listen to Jim Morrison, one guy who Im sure would think your a pu ss y ...
     
  6. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    You do realise that Liverpool under Rafa have knocked out those three teams in knockout competitons? And do you realise that those three teams have all recently knocked out Arsenal from knockout competitons? So you want Liverpool to adopt a losing style of play? Are you now going to lecture Liverpool on how to play against PSV Eindhoven in the CL?

    You should perhaps look at the facts, which are that despite all Arsenal's 'superior attacking style' and Liverpool's 'inferior defensive style' it is Liverpool who have scored more goals this season in less games.

    Arsenal played well last night but failed to win. So that is now 2 wins in their last 10 matches for Arsenal compared to Liverpool with 8 wins in their last 10 matches. Liverpool are much stronger at home and will attack at Anfield much more. More potent sides than Arsenal have all been knocked out at Anfield in the CL and the stadium witnessed Arsenal's biggest defeat of last season.

    Arsenal are capable of getting a result next week but until they do, don't presume to lecture us with your delusions of superiority.
     
  7. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    Did this genius just admit his mother f@cks friends and animals? :eek:

    Cripes!
     
  8. revelationx

    revelationx Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    London
    You do realise your post just makes you look scared at the possibility of meeting Liverpool in the Semis?

    You should be aware that every LFC fan will be supporting Fener next week.
     
  9. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    :D

    One thing in our favour: Michael Thomas has retired.
     
  10. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Like, apparently, your mother? No ta. I'm a strict Humans Only sort of a chap. Conventional, I'll admit. Boringly orthodox, perhaps even. But you are what you are, eh?

    No wonder you're confused about the 1-1 draw. Reminds me of that old joke about Fowler playing Everton on his own.

    Except I know you did. How are your retinas?

    Says the man on his fifth post in the thread, two of which have involved the sexual activities of someone's mother.

    Irony. Makes your shirtsy all smoothy.

    Christ, is here really the place for you to unburden yourself in this fashion?
     
  11. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wow - what a retarded Arsenal fan.

    "I only want to watch beautiful football....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH." Well, consider yourself an idiot. No, really - an idiot. And your fellow fans would call you the same.

    Also - nice work on the facts. But don't forget in addition to the teams you somehow conveniently forgot to include, we've also beaten the likes of Juve, Inter, and AC Milan playing our crap football. But why let facts get into the way of your delusion? To you - even if it was the Brazilian national team out there - you would have had problems with them.
     
  12. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BTW - lost (it seems) in the crazy Adebayor-Fabregas-Bendtner almost goal was the AMAZING tip from Reina that saved a sure goal from Bendtner. Adebayors cross was silky and Reina got fingertips on it to knock it away from Bendtner who you could see rising to meet it with an empty net in front of him. Granted the ball deflected to Fabregas - but Alonso whowed why he still isn't in form yet as he was a step behind.
     
  13. RedRed

    RedRed New Member

    Aug 19, 2007


    Tell the b1tch I want my goddamn ferret back.


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    The one on the right.
     
  14. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I thought that was more a Before and After shot. :p
     
  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    In an effort to maintain the calibre of the conversation and the reputation of the fanbase, allow me to play along with this one...

    Well, at least you didn't suggest Chelski! ;) I'm honest enough to recognize the results Ramos has turned in thus far, but I can't agree that allegiances should be so lightly assigned. Given you guys have a local nemesis surely you'd recognize the insanity of flipping a coin between two arch-rivals. Better to suggest he threw a dart, leaving more options than just Gunners and s****.

    More importantly...
    My affinity for Arsenal grew out of the "Boring, boring" days, largely due to being a former sweeper myself. I certainly get the strategy and acknowledge Arsenal did the same in their march to the CL final 2 years ago. What I think is missing is the clarification of a situational tactic and an overall approach to the game. FI:
    Italian Calcio, wherein they play most every game in deep defense and rely on individual brilliance to win drab games = Boring and overall reduces the level of skill on display.
    Shifting styles to ensure advancing through competitions = smart strategy.

    We're not stupid enough to claim beauty trumps trophies, but as Arsenal has tried to employ a more flowing game it's grown frustrating that more and more opponents play "for the draw" rather than playing their normal game. (Blackburn, Birmingham, Middles...) It's galling as a fan to hear the whistle, see the kick off and then watch a team immediately (hyperbole) march ten men backwards. Thus, any time we see a game unfold this way the first instinct is "Here we go again." Against Liverpool I know I and many others didn't think the Reds needed to do that. Then again, we're not the Reds' manager, so we gotta respect that. Plus, as has been alluded, some of it may be the players and not indicative of strategy.

    In theory, Arsenal fans shouldn't care. If Pool uses the same approach Tuesday then it means Arsenal will again have the majority of possession and shots and, as I've said elsewhere, if they can't break in a goal they don't deserve to be champions. Likewise, if Pool play more open that should work to Arsenal's advantage (compared to yesterday) by providing the midfielders more room in the offensive third. Granted, we'd feel more confident about that if Sagna and RvP weren't injured. :rolleyes:

    Yeah, we were pissed to see so many black shirts "in the box" yesterday, but knowledgeable fans roll with it. Provided Liverpool don't play that way all the time (which I don't think they do) then no one should accusing them of bringing the game down.

    I'll save that talk for the Italians. ;)
     
  16. liverbird

    liverbird BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 29, 2000
    Mars
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those shit sides play us that way too. It is frustrating but that's in the league. A home/away two game fixture is a completely different matter. With the away goal rule as soon as we scored a draw was a good thing. Why go and attack and get caught out? Now on Tuesday we have a different task -- keep you from scoring and nick one ourselves. Remember 0-0 puts us through. And any win! 1-1 goes to extra time. It will still be a very tactical game.
     
  17. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Oh I get it, and like I said that was the plan and Reds played it perfectly. Hats off to them. In the moment our Gooners reaction was expected, however, as that's such a tiring thing to see. Arsenal have lost/drawn so many games the past few seasons because of one slip up on defense and the other teams playing defensive kickball. (If I didn't know better I'd say that philosophy has detracted the development of the English national players as opposed to the influx of internationals in the Prem. But that's another thread...)

    Alas, tourney play is about surviving and advancing, not necessarily being the most dynamic or even the best overall side. Survive and advance. If you're lucky Tuesday Arsenal won't learn that in time to score and then line up 11 men in the box themselves. ;)'

    Cheers.
     
  18. CHSsoccer08

    CHSsoccer08 Member

    Apr 12, 2002
    Washington DC
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you meant to say if Arsenal are lucky enough to score.
     
  19. Gandalf The Red

    Gandalf The Red BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 23, 2006
    too young to remember george grahams team and their style of play were you sonny:rolleyes:
     
  20. Fussballer

    Fussballer Member+

    Liverpool FC
    Sep 18, 2002
    In my head
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Shouldn't that be the "best defensive striker in the game"? His "D" in the 2nd halp save our skin. I've got to say I was disappointed in Hyppia's play. Not marking Adebaure in the box could've cost us the game. Still not convinced he should be starting and Carra should be on the right. Oh well, we got the result we wanted so I'm pleased.
     
  21. Gandalf The Red

    Gandalf The Red BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 23, 2006
    The crazy silly turks turn up:rolleyes:
     
  22. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    good post.
     
  23. drobny23

    drobny23 Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Throwing in my 2 cents...

    I was horrified, HORRIFIED!, when Kuyt tackled Hleb in the box. I was sure a penalty would follow. But the ref was letting stuff go all night, so at least he was consistent. Still, that's a dodged bullet.

    Babel's immaturity is obscured against inferior opposition, and really shines against the big boys. He clearly has the ability, needs to develop some skills, and now I wonder if he's missing the lunch-pail, aggressive mentality. He won't challenge for 50/50 balls in the air, he often backs off challengable balls in the box, and he's awful defensively. He's so bad defensively Arsenal would attack on his side, Rafa would switch Babel and Kuyt, then Arsenal would switch fields. Finally Rafa just had to take him off. He was so bad defensively Rafa was willing to sacrifice the speed on the counterattack he brings to get someone in there would wouldn't wet the bed defending goal (Yossi Benayoun!). I wish Babel would get his hands dirty. It's not enough only to be fast and have a hammer for a right foot.

    As for "beautiful football" which Arsenal play, and apparently don't, well, that's hogwash. Sure it's pretty to see Arsenal's short passing game. It's compelling. It's teamwork, sure. And it can break you down for sure. That's why they do it. And frankly, if we continue to defend like that at Anfield, we'll lose the tie.

    But, we won't play like that. We were on the road, with the advantage of an away goal, Xabi was no where to be found, Kuyt was sprinting 70 yards to break up a play in our own box -- attacking was not the option. Rafa played it exactly right -- play 4-3-2-1 and clear the ball, repeat. You do this when you're away to a terrific side and you need to protect what is a very small, but nevertheless real, lead.

    As an NFL coach famously hollered (albeit in a different context): "You play to win the game." And that's what we did when it got to 1-1. Now, that style of play won't put us through against (dare I say it?) Fenerbache in the semis, but it worked fine in that setting.

    Oh, and Steve Gerrard is the man.
     
  24. AndSomeAreAngels

    Jun 7, 2003
    Brokelyn
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "If you want entertainment, go see clowns."

    Now, I'm not a firm believer in negative football, but this suggestion that that is all that Liverpool does is utterly ridiculous. We came out attacking and gave up a goal. We equalized three minutes later and I think any LFC fan would tell you, before a ball was kicked, that 1-1 would be a great result.

    European ties are always more conservative - that's the way the game is played. Just like World Cup games aren't up-and-down, free-flowing action, neither is the Champions League. It's a very deliberate style of play and teams that grind out results are rewarded.

    Say what you want about Arsenal playing the more attacking, attractive football, but the bottom line is that you do what you can to advance. I should hope a team playing at home would come out and attack. For Liverpool to go balls to the wall would have been foolish.

    We need a 0-0 draw or a win at Anfield to advance. That's a position we are all happy to be in.
     
  25. Crown Paints

    Crown Paints New Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Barnsley
    All I can say is it serves Hleb right for going down like he'd been shot
     

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