So?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Revolt, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
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    Of course, its the Dick Cheney thread.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SypeZjeOrY4

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4481249

    And this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/04/02/BL2008040202171_pf.html
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    a needle pulling thread
     
  3. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

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    doe, a deer, a female deer...
     
  4. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    Dough: the stuff that buys me beer;
    Ray: the guy who brings me beer;
    Me: the guy who drinks the beer;
    Fa: a long way to my beer;
    So, I think I'll have a beer;
    La, la-la-la-la-la beer;
    Ti? No thanks, I'll have a beer;
    And which brings us back to
    D'OH!!

    --Homer Simpson
     
  5. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    If a majority of Americans were wrong that we should go into Iraq, isn't it possible that a majority of Americans are wrong that we should leave now?

    I'm no fan of Cheney or the Bush Administration, but I don't necessarily want a president who always acts based on the whim of the masses.
     
  6. Demosthenes

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    May 12, 2003
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    Cheney's response exhibits not only a lack of regard for the voters' will, but a fundamental lack of respect for the American people. How can a leader so blatantly not respect his own people? Would it be so hard to at least acknowledge their concerns, then explain why those concerns are unfounded? No, this is the conversation, as he sees it:

    "A solid majority of us feel that the fight in Iraq is not worth the price in our lives and our money..."

    "So?"

    There is a middle ground, somewhere between following the whims expressed in opinion polls, and "So?"
     
  7. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Government isnt there to send messages. Government is there to receive them.
     
  8. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

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    He thinks their stupid. They only flip on CNN to check on the war during a commercial for "Dancing with the Stars."
     
  9. bigredfutbol

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    Agreed. Thing is, I sorta agree with the point he thought he was making, but that was a Freudian slip moment where he let us all see what's in his calloused, black heart.
     
  10. Roel

    Roel Member

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    whim of the masses?!?! USA citizens have been against this war for the past 2 + years. Hardly a whim.

    Getting to Chaffee's point, I'm sure that meeting was Cheney pointing out to the moderates that they must get in line. The GOP has a mean authoritarian streak, and Cheney embodies it. Let's not forget that he had a guy arrested in Colorado for challenging him on Iraq.

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4436043

    Hauled off in handcuffs, in front of his son. Class act, that Cheney.
     
  11. Own Goal Hat-Trick

    Jul 28, 1999
    ColoRADo
    I'm pretty sure that in a Dictatorship, the will of the people doesn't mean shit, either... Maybe I'm crazy, but general consensus ought to mean quite a bit to our leaders...
     
  12. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Just to elaborate on my earlier point...I don't think leaders should be constrained by polls or public opinion, but in a real democracy leaders have an obligation to try and 'bring the people along'. In something big like a war, it is vital for the administration to make a convincing case that the public is vested in armed struggle, and that their sacrifices will be worth it. Then again, Bush tried to convince people that all they had to do was to take their tax cuts shopping, so now that the chickens have come home to roost and people realize what sort of cost this war comes with, the Bushies don't have much of an answer.
     
  13. Horsehead

    Horsehead Super Moderator
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    Nov 2, 2006
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    And there's arguments (still!) about the All-Important Lapel Pin that shows how arrogant Obama must be.

    You could not make this stuff up if you tried. :D
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Remember when Dicky admitted to waterboarding, then he, Tony Snow, and George Bush lied to the public about what he was talking about?

    And then it was true all along?

    Classic guy.
     
  15. russ

    russ Member+

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    Now watch this drive.
     
  16. Roel

    Roel Member

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    When push comes to shove, will Cheney leave at the end of Bush's term? I'm pretty sure McCain would keep him around, but what will Cheney do if a Democratic victory is impending? I'm worried about the damage he does on the way out.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    won't he just become CEO of Halliburton?
     
  18. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    It would be highly entertaining to see him do just that, and have a Dem administration launch an investigation of war-profiteering. If Cheney were Hal CEO he would be fighting the release of 'sensitive National Security' documents from his old office pertaining to his new office.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    [youtube]r3CeNkxES88[/youtube]

    I think he and bush will wanna go out in a blaze o' glory
     
  20. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

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    You mean he's not?
     
  21. Roel

    Roel Member

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    Nope. he is in charge of business development.
     
  22. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

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    Very good then. Give him a bonus. He's had an outstanding run.
     

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