Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Because alotta of the players arent even English in the big clubs.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? This is true....run through the Arsenal roster for instance. It's deeper than just this, but a very easy answer is most of the stars in the EPL aren't English. There is money galore in England for footballers. Ronaldo, Tevez, Drogba, Torres, Fabregas, Adebayor....we could keep playing this game....Berbatov, and so on.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? I don't see Steve McClaren managing any of the top 4.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Wow, this is bran new information.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Anyone with half a brain knows that the number of players of a nationality playing in another country's league is silly. Look at France for example, most of their better players are usually in Italy or England. Heck their most of their squad in their 2006 World Cup side was playing in surprisingly Italy, England, Spain. By the logic you're using, you'd be saying that Ligue 1 is the best in the world.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? France have the perfect situation IMO. Ligue 1 is good enough that great players will stay home until they are at least 21,22. And yet it doesn't stem the development of good French players because their league is not so strong that good talent is left rotting away on the benches...
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? You know....Euro 2008 is gone...so.. Only a CL cup can restore some "english" pride...
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Most of the EPL clubs contain many foreigners. Not only that, England doesn't have a very good youth system and training methods are old-fashioned. There have been interviews in which some foreigners complain about how English managers focus too much on running and fitness and not enough on ball skills.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Same reason Spain is shit: most players are more concerned with club than country, and we don't have the ability to grind out extra time/penalty wins like Germany or Italy, which is what generally decides international football these days.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? England have never done it at international level; 1966 and 1990 probably the best. However look through history 1974 and 1978 anyone; we never made it to 2 world cups in a row? Also 1994. It has nothing to do with the Premier league having too many foreigners players; this is not a recent thing that has happened, it just so happens that from time to time England do not quality for major tournaments. Thats all there is to it really. PS I am English.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Germany and Italy simply have better players...when the foreign influence of club teams is taken out
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Germany has 45% foreigners(2nd highest in the world) simply because the Germans are not good enough.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? that doesn't make sense. the national team proves how good they are
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? The foreigners in England are of a higher class than those in Germany but those lower class foreigners are still good enough to replace the German players, that says it all.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? what kind of logic is that? as squidward123 already pointed out to you, look at the german national team and how well it performs. apart from about 6 players in the squad, only 1 of which is a regular in the first 11, the rest all play their football in the bundesliga. lower class foreigners ... ribery toni diego VDV kompany lucio yep.... low class alright.... no point in judging the bottom end of the talent pool regarding foreigners in the bundesliga as you'd see a similar drop off in the lower end of the EPL.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Yes, better players like Lehman (who can't get a game at Arsenal), Podolski (who has flopped at Bayern), Schweinsteiger (who spends half his time on the bench), Ballack (who has been a waste of money for Chelsea) and various other players who ply their trade at midtier clubs, because none of the top sides will go near them. International football = 5 or 6 meaningful games every 2 years. If the German players were that good, they wouldn't be wasting away in the UEFA Cup, or sitting on the bench at top teams, while the 'inferior' English and Spanish players are earning about 5x as much money and starring for top teams and competing for top trophies.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? problem with your theory is that in the top 5-6 german clubs, there are many german players. Around 5-6 per starting lineup as a minimum. Go and check it up. (And 70% of bayern's top 20 players are German and this offsets Hamburg who are essentially Dutch). The foreigner dominated German clubs are the bottom ones. Second theory regarding the foreigners - half the croatian team that completely and utterly outclassed england at wembley plays in germany, and that was without the normal starting striker Ivan Klasnic (recovering from a Kidney transplant), and midfielder Jurica Vranjes. Ivan Rakitic Josip Simunic Robert Kovac Ivica Olic Mladen PETRIC all play in the Bundesliga. And they taught England how to play football over both legs.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? They don't want to go and play in a country inhabited by an inferior race. There - that matches the ignorance regarding the Bundesliga and it's players in your post.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? No, it matches your usual level of fervent German nationalism. I've no doubt that you do actually believe in the superiority of all things German.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? over all things English football, yeah. That's too easy. If Steven Gerrard was German he'd be a triathlete.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Seriously though, I know you generally like to ignore club football (possibly because there's no way, even with your blinkered views, you could justify a strong pro-German/anti-English stance on that front) but how do you explain the fact that, for example, Wayne Rooney plays a starring role for Man Utd, while Lukas Podolski can't get a game for Bayern Munich?
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? The problem with England is that it's only the top four teams that are really dominant in Europe and Arsenal + Liverpool (excluding 70s-80s) are just starting to get into the act. Teams outside the top four consistently flop in Europe. We have no British teams in the final eight of the Euro cup. This is where one of the problems lies. A good majority of the English national team comes from these non-big four teams that consistently fall short against the Villareal's, the PSV's, and the Fiontina's of this world. Another good chunk of the national side are on big four squads but not starters. The England side that started against Croatia included: Scott Carson, Joleon Lescott, Wayne Bridge, Sol Campbell, Micah Richards, Shaun Wright Phillips, Steven Gerrard, Gareth Barry, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, and Peter Crouch. Subs: David James, Jermain Defoe, Ashley Cole, Darren Bent, Wes Brown, David Beckham, Owen Hargreaves Of this starting eleven.. only two, Gerrard & Lampard can be considered regular starters for a top four club. You could maybe throw in Joe Cole and maybe between Bridge & A.Cole on the bench say a fourth.. but considering the fact that Lampard + Gerrard play the same position for their club kind of cancels that one out. The subs bench doesn't offer too much either with only Wes Brown & Owen Hargreaves top four squad players. The problem is England are constantly touted as being amongst the best in the world and I'll admit it, when the likes of Terry, Ferdinand, Rooney and a fully fit Owen are thrown into the equation, they are certainly a force to be reckoned with. But once the injuries start to hit, there's a major lack of depth there.
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Rangers are British. PSV and Fiorentina got through against English sides on the crap-shoot of penalties, Fiorentina especially being lucky after they got hammered by Everton in the second leg. Had those penalties gone the other way you'd have had two English sides in the final eight (a total only matched by Germany) and no Italians and Dutch teams. Are you really basing your argument on the strength of the outcome of two penalty shoot-outs?
Re: Why EPL is one of the best league in Europe but the performance of England is not good at all? Germany has only had it's succes through penalty's and not actuall fooball, if England could take penalty's they would have as many world cups as Germany, thats the only thing you're really good at, the rest of you football sucks.