Hugo Sanchez's future will be under review on march 31st

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  1. upsidedownflag

    upsidedownflag New Member

    Feb 10, 2008
    SoCal
    I like the idea of Pekerman


     
  2. El Pipiripau

    El Pipiripau Member+

    Jul 10, 2006
    Escondido!!!
    Club:
    Club Santos Laguna
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The onlt Mexican coach I would like to see is Daniel Guzman
     
  3. Chivin

    Chivin Member

    Aug 4, 2006
    LA
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The 31st is still 15 days too late!!!!!!
    I'd call for a provisional DT and wait until summer break in Europe to see if they fire vasco Aguirre.
     
  4. Pirru

    Pirru Member+

    Sep 21, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    la verdad es que Hugo no sera remplasado

    los directivos vieron lo mismo que nosotros

    los delanteros valieron madre y estubimos a un gol de calificar y por eso solo por eso

    Hugo no sera remplasado

    quizas si no hubieramos metido 5 goles el estuviera en mala posicion con los directivos pero la verdad es que no sera remplasado

    por lo menos ahora.
     
  5. MexicanBillBacker

    Jan 12, 2007
    Monterrey
    Pinche vato con bajas expectativas

    El Raul Arias nadamas sirve para arreglar a vatos ************s como la basura del Necaxa como Tresor, el chang moren, etc etc
     
  6. chapulin

    chapulin Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    El Estado Dorado
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    if we absolutely had to pick a mexican coach (other than vasco), travieso would also be my pick.

    pero creo que todavia no esta maduro para la seleccion.
     
  7. fabled1

    fabled1 Member

    Apr 9, 2006
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    HUGO HAS TO GO!. There is no other option, this is PUMAS all over again. WAKE UP!
     
  8. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    I saw the interview with Justino Compean, dude looked crushed, and he mentioned that the NT comitee will be revising Hugo's process, as they have been doing after every tourney. Seem's like BS to calm down the chicken little's. Unless they went back on their word to back up processos, which I doubt since Televisa let De la Torre bring in Ojitos Meza and Lavolpe. Hugo = Televisas Turn.

    Now let us look at his so called 'fracasos': losing to the USMNT in the GC 07 final. I agree the team played like crap, but they steped it up and reached the final, something the MNT had not been able to do outside of Mexico since GC 98.

    Neither Lapuente (00) Aguirre (02) or Lavolpe (05) made the finals. Hugo's team lost on a lucky strike by Feihelbaluur, whatever, noob was even droped from the US nads U-23, f'ck me if that wasnt a fluke goal. Anyways, having reached the final is an improvement.

    U-23 Pre-Olympic qualifiers: fracaso in every extent of the word. However, we must question the integrity of a NT like Guatepeor, shows how much pride they have for their jersey when they can just bend over: this is the equivalent of cheering for your mom in a gangbang. I hope the chapines choke against Honduras, and if they make it to Beijing that they lose every game there.

    Despite missing out on the OIympics, that is not valid enough reason to sack Hugo Sanchez. Let us be honest here, this is not the team that Mexico will depend on for WCQ, and if winning an Olympic medal is that important then why wasnt Lavolpe put under pressure after the U-23 sucked it up in Athens? And he followed this by an early exit from the Gold Cup (05). Speaking of which:

    Not even the Gold Cup, even if the Confeds Cup was at stake, is reason enough to fire Hugo. Many people are calling for Javier Aguirre and he has done exactly what Hugo is being chastised for: losing the Gold Cup (02) and qualification to Confeds Cup (03) and he also took the liberty of losing to the USMNT in a friendly and best of all at the 02 WC.

    Like I said earlier Hugos best was shown at the Copa America. I doubt the MNT has ever scored that many goals in any of their previous participations. Given that showing, it surprises me how much the noobs round here still doubt Hugo's capacity to coach the team.

    All because of a handfull of U-23 training games and a pre-Olympico which only highlighted Mexico's striker problem. Things could not have been more clear than the match against Haiti. Overall, the number of goals missed was incredible.

    So, in closing CA is Hugo's saving grace. In any case every 'friendly' match will now be scrutinized to the fullest extent by his detractors. Hence, the match against Ghana will have special meaning. Hugo needs to show that the Sr NT is at the top of its game. Time for Guille to prove that he is a better option that Esqueda or Santi!!
     
  9. el-choul

    el-choul Member+

    Apr 17, 2006
    DC
    One wildcard here is Vergara. Hugo is a Televisa guy, and if Vergara is also cool about it, Hugo isn't going anywhere. But I could also see a situation where Vergara is completely pissed off and starts with his berrinches, Televisa says ok but have Chivas sign a deal with us, and they replace Hugo with another Televisa coach.

    Fact of the matter is Hugo shouldn't be judged by what the U23s do, but he's the one who signed the contract stipulating he would also coach them, he got them for several weeks before the qualifiers, and they were eliminated by two teams that probably won't make it to the Olympics themselves. It's a shame (though not undeserved) because both the U23s and the big squad were starting to look good and create chances. I'd hate to have to start from scratch again.

    In the end, Mexico is victim of its own partial success. The old Mexico would have had a full squad, but instead Guardado, Gio, Vela (and Moreno) are all in Europe, and our second tier upfront just isn't good enough. Having Gio or Vela would have made a world of difference on those 4 on 1s. Making one more goal in any of the three games would have put them through, and that can't be laid on Hugo. Forget having Hugo in his prime, I would have settled for a U23 Hermosillo, who already had something like 30 goals in primera at that age.
     
  10. Chiquitibum

    Chiquitibum Member+

    Apr 4, 2004
    Norte
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Good post and I agree with a lot of it, but why do even ESPN deportes n00bs disagree and pretty much have the same sentiment as many posters here about Hugo.

    Take the Guate game, Put in Santi for 2 strikers, I believe they said, ok, cool. I thought, ok Hugo is desperate, then he takes out 2 others and the play immediately dropped. I was hoping for a stronger attacking midfielder. Villaluz seemed to stop coming back and getting the ball to start the attack.

    Now both ciro procuna and that other guy think Hugo should be out of there.

    I think pressure has a lot to do with the players mentality, but Hugo is supposed to help with that.

    One could say that this team consisted of a lot of the sub 17 winners, but then again, the pressure wasnt on them in that tourney as it is here. Mexico is expected to win.
     
  11. rock-star_79

    rock-star_79 New Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Milwaukee
    I think you have some valid points but my one problem with your post (and others) is that you belittle the importance of qualifying for the Olympics. In a confederation like Concacaf were their is little to play for, qualifying for the Olympics is one of a few worth fighting for, second to only WCQ. Everything else is handed to us Gold Cup, Copa America, none of these we have to qualify for.

    As supporters we know that Mexico is not going to win a World Cup, Olympic Gold Metal or even a Copa America, but just qualifying for the time being is important to not only the growth of our futbul but to us the supporters.

    Maybe you don't see it this way and only care about the WC, but I think that the team, as well as the manager, owes the supporters the chance to at least see their beloved team play in all important tournament.
     
  12. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    i also agree with you but the only thing i disagree upon is im glad to an extent that mexico lost to these teams, hopefully it will bring them back to earth and make all of us realize that we are not almighty superiors and in futbol everyone has a chance to win we need to stop being snobs and give respect to the rest of these teams no matter how good we are.
     
  13. el-choul

    el-choul Member+

    Apr 17, 2006
    DC
    I honestly don't know where I stand on an Hugo firing. The U23s were definitely a fracasotote, and that can come back to bite a big talker like Hugo. But with the big squad, I also had never seen Mexico have a 6-0 against a non-Concacaf island, and the 2-0 against Brazil was with a team most people didn't think could do that. On top of that, I don't see any realistic options waiting in the wings to take over, and that matters a lot.

    I did, however, want to point out something that I didn't notice much (or at all) in the 3 million other posts on the U23s. Hugo was begging for Gio and Vela for the qualifiers. To me, that says he was a good enough judge of talent to realize he didn't have what it took with his current forwards. I'll take that any day over someone who has an unrealistic, misguided belief in the players he has available.
     
  14. PanchoM

    PanchoM Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    PalmsPlace
    Give me a break , Hugo depending on Franco ??
    Vela is 10 times more player then Franco . As you know I'm not a Xenophobe and if a player meets the requirements for the National team fine , But that doesnt mean they should be singled out for good or bad . Zinha Franco even Caballero have all been exemplary as people, but they are nothing special when it comes to National team players.


    If this loss makes Hugo and the team a little more humble and they take to concentrating on whats important . Then I think not going to the Olympics will have been woth it . On the other hand if he comes up with lame excuses as before , he is bound to fail in qualifying to the WC .
     
  15. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    see being conformed to the CA performance is really what keeps the MNT down from achieving its true potential. Mexico has assembled the most talent it has never had before. With just the local talent, previous coaches have not only reached the final of CA many times instead of settling for a semifinal. The semifinal place had been reached many more times before therefore this is just a regression of progress. Now just like u admitted, in the gold cup the team played like crap, but individual talent kept the team afloat and lost in the final. Hugo made the promise to win the gold cup and thus not winning it is a huge fracaso, not only because its also a regression of progress but because a ticket to the confed cup was lost even thou his last predecessor had won a ticket there. That is another regression of progress. Our team is going backwards. Now our team is not going to the Olympics. That is a shame. Our team is running out of tournaments to play in because our team is not winning.
     
  16. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  17. Goofy

    Goofy Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    support for oneself.
    VS, I can understand that you like to post things that may get you heat or make you seem victimized. OK. Fair game.
    Just remember that Compean is also a Televisa employee and that he just stated that he takes responsibility for this (what is he saying? That he takes the blame for Hugo too) So dont be surprised if also Compean is kicked out.
    goodbye president too.
    nuff said.
     
  18. el-choul

    el-choul Member+

    Apr 17, 2006
    DC
    I wouldn't be surprised if this happens, even if Hugo stays. The whole "batman y robin" thing has made them into a laughingstock. Plus sacking Compean (and/or Decio) gives Televisa an excuse to keep Hugo, since they already would have gotten rid of "los verdaderos responsables". It's all about how you sell it.
     
  19. chapulin

    chapulin Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    El Estado Dorado
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Look at Hugo's goals and objectives HE put out.

    Look at the final results.

    End of Story.
     
  20. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    come on man, you know that aguirre took a completely noob team to the gold cup to try out players. someone get the squad for that tourney, wasn't curly boy martinez the goalie?? don't bring that into this argument, hugo had the best players at his advantage (had something mexico had never had before, with marquez, salcido, osorio, pardo and nery not only coming from europe, but were all champions in their leagues) and lost both to honduras and USA, he failed to win the gold cup which most importantly he said he would win. not the media, not our expectations, he said he would win and didn't.

    in short, aguirre's C mexican league team =/= hugo's european based team of champions

    because that was de la torre and not campeon, who had made it rather clear since hugo took over that not only qualifying for the olympics, but obtaining a metal would be a big goal for this process. prior natoinal teams haven't had the expectations of a world cup winning U17 team, that's why this one was so much more important. could have given these guys valuable international experience.

    yeah but, if it weren't for aguirre we wouldn't have even been in the world cup. he took a team that was being raped by all opponents, didn't get a fresh processo and turned them around, doing what hugo FAILED to do and reach the copa america final, where he was screwed and could have easily won. unlike hugo who was utterly embarrassed in the semi finals. that makes two fracasos, being bent over by argentina which didn't even happen to that down syndrome kid lavolpe, who went into over time with them in the confederations cup and copa america. a guy with down syndrome did that.

    score a lot of goals against a man down on paraguay. didn't do anything out of the ordinary outside of that, beat Ecuador, beat brazil, it's nothing that hadn't happened before. what they did do was get vastly outplayed by argentina and failed to reach runner up.

    CA was nothing Mexico hadn't done before. In fact, we've reached the final a few times so he actually went a step back in being embarrassed out of the tourney. what he has been able to do is

    lose at the azteca
    lost against honduras in an official tourney (a team we will face in WCQ none the less)
    lose to guatemala twice
    lose to US twice, once in the gold cup final (which he said he would win)
    fail to get a runner up spot in copa america
    didn't qualify us to the confederations cup
    makes ridiculous excuses like saying the grass is too tall, or the green jerseys make it seem like mexico is playing against 22 men
    and most importantly, waste a generations chance to show what they were able to show in U17 and U20 world cups

    great job hugo! 0-3 on your goals! keep reaching for the stars!
     
  21. aztlan

    aztlan New Member

    Jul 2, 2006
    Hugo has to go........

    It is not the fact that players did not score
    It is not that they did not play up to potential
    It is not the fact that Vela or Gio were not here

    THe problem is Hugo mentality..

    the way he talks it seems he thinks this is not his fault
    the way he carries himself
    the way he criticize LaVolpe...only to bring back Zinha n Franco...
    the way he criticize the players he called up...only to basically have the same players..

    He does not make sense and we need to have a serious NT coach

    Guys!!!
    If we do not take advantage of the players we have right now we are in trouble

    WE ARE NOT BRAZIL OR ARGENTINA
     
  22. kehl

    kehl Member

    Feb 28, 2005
    Kamogawa BG
    If there is a god (and I believe there is) Hugo will be fired that day.

    If Hugo had any sense of dignity (and it's clear he does not), he'd quit today.

    HUGO, DISCÚLPATE Y VETE. q oso q oso.
     
  23. Goofy

    Goofy Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    support for oneself.
    Let us put this in context...

    No matter how idealistic or selfish Hugo may be, he SHOULD know that he is a lame duck and regardless of outcome, he will be kicked out on March 31.

    Owners, no doubt about this, are legitimately peed off, and upon inspection of the latest attendance figures, I doubt they foresee an increase. I mean, they just lost a whole bunch money by not qualifying...

    So, I wouldnt be surprised if Azcarraga sends his driver to tell Hugo to quit.

    And folks, thanks to you, the fan who bought tix to see futile games vs. finland, guatemala, peru, salvador, etc., etc., right now there is money in the bank to go get a world class coach in Europe.
     
  24. Kur #10

    Kur #10 Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Mexico Citay
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    haha hurray!
     
  25. BS49

    BS49 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Drinking a beer
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I heard three interviews today with the top brass of Chivas (Vergara), Atlas, and Tecos (Leano) on XM Deportivo. These three teams are part of the 5 (Pumas and Jaguares are the other two) that form the committee that will make the decision on Hugo. All three including Vergara said they want change. so it is pretty much a waiting game if Hugo resigns before March 31st.
     

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