International Roster Spots

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by kirsoccer, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007
    I'm curious as to how many clubs are filling up their international roster spots. Please list how your club currently stands in this respect.

    RSL (7 spots available, 6 filled)
    D: Mantilla, Matias, 26 (Int’l, Argentina)
    D: Olave, Jamison, 26 (Int’l, Colombia)
    M: Morales, Javier 28 (Int’l, Argentina)
    M: Cordoba, Matias 23 (Int’l, Argentina)
    F: Espindola, Fabian 22 (Int’l, Argentina)
    F: Deuchar, Kenny, 27 (Int'l, Scotland)
     
  2. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC United
    1. Luciano Emilio (29) - F - Brazil
    2. Franco Niell (24) - F - Argentina
    3. Fred (28) - M - Brazil
    4. Marcelo Gallardo (32) - M - Argentina
    5. Dan Stratford (22) - M - England (Not signed yet but DCU typically signs its developmental players closer to the start of the season - he is almost a lock to make the team at this point given DCU's lack of depth at d-mid plus Stratford's impressive camp to date)
    6. Gonzalo Martinez (32)- D - Colombia
    7. Gonzalo Peralta (27) - D - Argentina
    8. Open

    DCU probably leads the league in players with green cards (Moreno - Bolivia, Kpene - Ivory Coast, Monteiro - Angola, Dyachenko - Russia, Carvallo - Peru).
     
  3. EdsonArantes

    EdsonArantes Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    Barra Brava
    Why does RSL only have 7 and not 8?
     
  4. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    We actually only have 6, and we got one temporarily for this season in a trade.

    Our brilliant former GM/Coach traded two of our old Youth International slots away permanently (to Colorado and Chivas, I think), leaving us with a total of 6 international slots when the rule changed this year. Like I said, we picked up an additional international slot from KC (I think) for a season or two.
     
  5. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    INTL Spots can be traded
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Houston Dynamo
    1. Dwayne De Rosario (29) - M - Canada
    2. Tony Caig (33) - GK - England
    3. Franco Caraccio (21) - F - Argentina

    Caraccio is not officially on the roster but he is being introduced this week.

    I think that's it. Onstad and Holden were born outside the U.S. but both are U.S. citizens now.
     
  7. EdsonArantes

    EdsonArantes Member

    Apr 6, 2006
    Barra Brava
    Got it...Thankya
     
  8. Tmagic77

    Tmagic77 Member+

    Feb 10, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Permanently? Wow, how can somebody not raise a stink about that before it goes through.
     
  9. crewfighter

    crewfighter New Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    Claddagh's Roof
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Internationals (5 out of 8- right now)
    1. M-F Guillermo Barros Schelotto (I) -Argentina
    2. M-F Ricardo Virtuoso (I) -Brazil
    3. F Nicolas Hernandez (I) -Argentina
    4. M Adam Moffat (I) -Scotland
    5. Andy Iro (I)- England

    About to be signed
    6. M Emmanuel Ekpo (Nigeria): Discovery, returned to Columbus; Mitchell says we'll sign him. I think Ekpo is going to start the season taking that 6th spot
    7. F Guilherme So (Brazil): Discovery, returned to Columbus; Mitchell says we'll sign him.


    8. Ricardo Pierre-Louis, F, Lee, (Haiti), 23 (Draft pick, given ok to finish degree by Sigi but may possibly be in trouble as we keep bringing in trialists?)
    9. Lukasz Tumicz, F, Rhode Island, Poland, 23
    10. D/M Sandro Jose/da Silva (Brazil): Discovery, returned to Columbus, but Sigi said it might not matter for us to get to know his name
    11. M Osvaldo Alonso (Cuba): trialist
    12. F Mamadu Bah (Sierra Leone): trialist

    Interesting that if we sign both Ekpo and So. That will leave only one spot open between our draft pick Louis, Alonso, Bah, Silva, and Tumicz. I'm guessing that unless Tumicz has a GC he will not have a chance to make the roster.
     
  10. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Which needs to be banned. It defeats the purpose of keeping the squad balanced.

    But anyway, was there a limit for how many you can field? I mean can a team practically have 8 international players + 3 Americans playing a game?
     
  11. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    How so? Who said there had to be a balance anyway? If a team wants to better itself by adding international players, I don't see why that's a bad thing. MLS isn't here to cater to the USMNT or the USSF. It's a business where success on the field translates to more financial opportunities via advertising, tournament invites, and sponsorships. Some teams can do that with a predominantly American players, while others prefer a different route. Neither team is wrong as long as it works for them.
    Nope.
    Yes, they can. Hell, they could field 8 internationals and 3 green card holders. Wouldn't that make your head explode?
     
  12. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Chivas have 9 slots, KC and RSL have 7, and the rest except Toronto have 8. I'm unsure of how many Toronto have. Let's try to figure this out. It says:

    So that means that they get 3 new slots. Now last year, they had 13 slots. Those consisted of the normal 7 (4 SI, 3 YI) plus 3 US-only SI slots, plus the 2 extra YI slots for expansion teams (first two seasons only), plus 1 they got in a trade with Colorado for Jose Cancela.

    So I can only assume that they have a total of 16 international slots, 5 of which must be Americans only. However, there is the possibility that they are replacing the 3 US only slots from last year with the 2 from this year.
     
  13. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Man, if you don't know, I'm not going to try to figure it out.

    Who has RSL's other slot? One is at Chivas, where is the others.
     
  14. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    US/Green card holders:
    1. Todd Dunivant
    2. Tyrone Marshall (green card)
    3. Ronnie O'Brien (green card)
    4. Maurice Edu
    5. Jeff Cunningham
    6. Marvell Wynne
    7. Pat Phelan
    8. Brian Edwards

    INT'L:
    9. Julius James (T&T)
    10. Collin Samuel (T&T)
    11. Carl Robinson (Wales)
    12. Danny Dichio (England)
    13. Andrew Boyens (New Zealand)
    14. Joey Lapira (Ireland) (???)
     
  15. SideshowBob

    SideshowBob Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    Maryland
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there some sort of rule or objective to keep clubs "balanced"?

    The limit on international players seems to be in place to ensure that there is a significant number of Americans playing in MLS. Trading spots doesn't reduce the total number of Americans in the league, so I don't see how that's a problem. With expansion, even more American spots are created.
     
  16. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Colorado, but they've traded one to Toronto temporarily.
     
  17. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Then, tell me why do we have salary caps in first place. Isn't that there to balance the roster and prevent clubs from competing for players?

    Either way, I think 8 is way too many and international spots should be 3-5, non-tradable.
     
  18. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The Galaxy:

    1. David Beckham - England
    2. Kevin Harmse - Canada
    2. Ante Jazic - Canada
    3. Carlos Ruiz - Guatemala
    4. Abel Xavier - Portugal
    5. Celestine Babayaro - Nigeria
    6. Alvaro - Brazil

    Under the old rules all would be SI's
     
  19. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's reported that the Crew will waive R. Virtuoso today.
     
  20. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
    What do you think are the chances DC does that this year? I really would like to see that happen if only to see BigSoccer MLS General forum meltdown.

    We'd need at least one other foreign wing player otherwise its Ben Olsen or Quavis Kirk. A a couple of foreign defenders.
     
  21. SideshowBob

    SideshowBob Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    Maryland
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, to balance the talent level between teams. That is an absolute key for parity in the league.

    But that's completely different from "balance" between foreigners and US citizens. I don't see why MLS should be obligated to feature a specified number of Americans.

    Besides which, with the current setup, the bvast majority of players are still American and with expansion, that total number is going up, not down.
     
  22. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New England Revolution (4/8):


    1. Mauricio Castro, MF, Honduras
    2. Abdoulie Mansally, FW, Gambia
    3. Sainey Nyassi, FW/MF Gambia
    4. Argenis Fernandez, FW, Costa Rica

    Unsigned Draftees:

    • Matt Britner, DF, Canada
    • Kheli Dube, FW, Zimbabwe
    • Saidi Isaac, FW, Kenya

    Green Card Holders

    • Shalrie Joseph, MF, Grenada
    • Khano Smith, MF, Bermuda
    • Jose Angulo, FW, Columbia (assumed)
     
  23. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    DC could come close to it in a 3-4-3:

    --------Carvallo-------
    Martinez--Peralta--Burch
    -------Stratford---------
    Monteiro----------Fred
    --------Gallardo--------
    Neill------Moreno------Emilio

    If deRoux was still around, he could have played leftback instead of Burch. Dyachenko or one of the trialists would be an option ahead of Monteiro. Kpene or Monteiro could also be inserted for Neill.

    However, I doubt that line-up would ever actually happen.
     
  24. angrywhiteman

    angrywhiteman Member

    May 26, 2004
    CO Mountains
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    COLORADO RAPIDS

    Internationals
    1. Facundo Erpen- DF- Argentina
    2. Mehdi Ballouchy- MF- Morocco
    3. Christian Gomez- MF- Argentina
    4. Terry Cooke- MF- England
    5. Omar Cummings- FW- Jamaica
    6. Kosuke Kimura- DF- Japan
    7. Open
    8. Open

    Green Card
    1. Bouna Coundoul- GK- Senegal

    Unsigned Trialist:
    1. Chris Sharpe- GK- Australia

    We've also heard that Ballouchy is applying for a Green Card. In addition, Sharpe's wife is American so he could probably get one if we were to sign him.
     
  25. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
    Interesting. I didn't know Monteiro could play on the wing. Thanks.
     

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