Who is the best God-given talent/skilled player your nation has ever produced?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Dark Savante, May 13, 2006.

  1. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  2. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another for consideration from USA, Hugo Perez. Born in El Salvador, moved here around age 10-11. Trained with Ajax in late 80s and Cruyff wanted to sign him, but the world-beater club known as the San Diego Sockers wouldn't release him. A second attempt to get him to Europe (again supported by Cruyff, this time to Parma who was preparing to make their debut in Seria A...where they finished sixth in the table their first year). Again, American genius (Bob Gannsler, this time) gets in the way, and Perez, supposedly due to injury-related lack of fitness(?), is dropped from the US 1990 WC roster.

    Mind you, this is a player who is being courted by Cruyff and Ajax at a time when the top US league is the freaking MISL, and nobody...I mean nobody, from the US is playing in any European team of consequence.

    It may be that Adu surpasses him (to the extent that Adu is "USA home grown"). There's also the argument that Perez himself isn't a completely "home grown" product. On the other hand, and no disrespect intended to El Salvador, but it's not as if Champions' League rosters are overflowing with their children, either. But to have gotten the attention that Perez did, from the calibre of teams that he did, at a time when American Soccer was truly an oxymoron, speaks of a very special talent.
     
  3. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I almost forgot about Hugo. I went to a camp he helped coach and he may be one of the most underrated left-footed players of his day. He's a class act to boot.
     
  4. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nice:rolleyes: Of course taking into account one of your countries greatest scorers was total alcoholic.
     
  5. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to throw John O'Brien into the mix. I really think we never got to see him very much because of injury. But if you are talking about talent and touch etc.. I think he probably played more beautifully than Donovan, if I didn't misunderstand the idea.
     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What do you expect when we have a whole month dedicated to drinking???:D
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  7. Seaside Mafia

    Seaside Mafia New Member

    May 29, 2005
    London
    *tsk* look at the size of the heads on those beers. Take 'em back wench and fill 'em up proper like.
     
  8. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I can agree with tht... O'Brien had class that stood apart... that's why I said Reyna.. even tho I didnt like him much... his class on the field is something I have not seen from an American, until this upcoming generation... starting with Adu
     
  9. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well hell, I'll drink to that;)
     
  10. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Germans love head.
     
  11. macaluca

    macaluca Member+

    Nov 24, 2005
    Park bench

    I'm guessing you've read the 'Greatest Footballer You Never Saw' book written about him. I think that book and the media attention on its release, has made a lot of people aware of Friday.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well you are right about that :D

    If you didn't live in NZ in 1982 it is probably difficult to understand just what an impact NZs qualification had on young people.

    My local club side had 4 age group teams for 9-10 yr olds. A, B, C and D

    Next year it had an "M" "N" and "O" team!

    So much of it was down to Rufer - and that lone run to crack the crucial goal in the final game against China I still remember so vividly.

    The problem was what came after 1982. Poor results, poor management. For decades. So while Rufer carved out an amazing career in germany, it was virtually unheralded back home. In those days - no internet - One govt news channel.

    Football in NZ in 1982 consisted of a repackaged match of the day on Sunday morning! Apart from allwhites games there were no other games on TV.

    We never saw rufer except for when he came back to play for the all whites. That would generate huge excitement because he was a genuine star.

    Now days of course he is regarded with great suspicion. NZ likes to cut down its tall poppies. And Rufer is not a typical kiwi. He's so introspective and cold on TV. Not one of the lads. And he's religious - which never helps :D
     
  13. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kind of how Richard Hadlee clashes with the other cricket commentators when you compare them. Years ago he used to commentate and he was a class above everyone else in his insight and balanced coverage of things.

    Wynton Rufer was a true star...he'll never be appreciated by the idiots here who worship the english 3rd division...I mean you've seen the football "pundits" right? Katsanos, Ngata, Elrick, De Jong...football for them is the EPL, A-league, and the English NT.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    NZ sports TV media is largely controlled by Murdoch/SKY - so that's what you get served up. Remember also that NZ is a former english colony :D
     
  15. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The people here are pretty clueless in general about who's who in football. During the WC, my cousin's office provided breakfast and a big screen TV to watch the sweden game to (as advertised) "support England". They don't really know why they support England either apart from the "mother country" reason.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    well you are in auckland :p
     
  17. deleted

    deleted Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    hehe, I wonder what they will do this June??

    I'll be happy if it gets some coverage on radio etc (but I doubt that) apart from Sky TV showing the games.
     
  18. Panfilo

    Panfilo Member+

    May 9, 2003
    INLAND EMPIRE
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    You forgot

    Benjamin Galindo and Hector Hernandez

    God can't believe I just said that.

    Washes mouth with soap.
     
  19. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Jonathan de Guzman. I would love to see him line up alongside his brother for the national team.
     
  20. elbp

    elbp Member

    Feb 1, 2007
    Cordoba, ARG
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Argentina:

    Contrary to popular belief and to whatever my dear countrymen say, this is the greatest God-given talent to ever grace an Argentinian football pitch:

    Tomas Felipe "Trinche" Carlovich
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  21. elcombo

    elcombo New Member

    Oct 5, 2004
    NO WAY..... BETTER THAN BAGGIO OR ZOLA....ANYWAY FROM MY COUNTRY COLOMBIA ITS BETWEEN Valderrama or asprilla
     
  22. gmonn

    gmonn Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Rossi is American, but his dream was to play for Italy.
     
  23. braine

    braine Member

    Feb 5, 2006
    Belgium
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    For Belgium Enzo Scifo...
    Older people said Rik Coppens ,but I never saw him play and there are no video's available from him (he played as forward in the fifties).
    So I can't judge over him...
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What a "Great" American!!! :rolleyes:
     
  25. aguimarães

    aguimarães Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Daniel Amokachi.

    You're right, it isn't. Zidane also won a Euro(2002) France's only WC title(1998) and took them to their only other appearance in the WC finals(2006.) He also won World Player of the year 3 times(1998, 2000, 2003) European player of the year(1998.) Not to mention winning the Spanish League, the Serie A, and the Champion's League.





    Mine, Paolo Cesar Wanchope.
     

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