How about 524 of them in 1999? That's about 523 more than you were looking for, and that was in one year alone. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21943 Heck, I keep finding more and more cases: Black man charged with hate crime in threats to TV news crew Not just charged, but convicted: Nine Convicted in Long Beach Hate-Crime Trial Black student faces hate crime charge I could go on and on, but I assume I've made my point.
Hate Crime legislation vs anyone is a bad idea! Its absurd! Why should the motivations matter? If I kill you because you got in my way while trying to rob a 7/11, if i kill you because I was angry at my parents, if I kill you because you're black...it doesn't matter you're still dead, whats the difference? And regarding the Little Green Footballs story... Wait...you're really gonna take that the fascist commander seriously? Com'on. Why would racists be meeting a Thai restaurant in the first place? Has this been verified or followed up by any other credible news organization?
That's not the point. I was responding to Danny's question asking to name one black person charged with a hate crime, and I found a ton of them. I don't believe in hate crimes either, but it still doesn't mean that many blacks haven't been charged with hate crime.
You asked to name an example of a black person who has been charged with a hate crime and he gave you an answer. Now you want to shift the goalposts and claims it's rare and somehow doesn't count. You asked for one and you received it. You can't change the criteria now, especially because he met it. Heck, I provided tons of examples. I hate to be mean, but this might be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said in the history of the universe. We had an event here in the United States, from 1861-1865, called the Civil War. I'm not sure, but I think it had something to do with race and racism? You act like you never heard of the abolitionist movement? Harriet Tubman? Fredrick Douglas? Didn't they "say or do something about racism?"
This is a great example of you shifting the goalpost. You said no one "seemed to say or do anything about racism until the civil rights era," and when people provide you tons of examples exposing your ignorance, you shift the goalpost and claim that "Fredrick Douglass really had people up in arms and marching in the streets, didn't he?" You do realize that Fredrick Douglas was an immensely popular public speaker who drew enormous crowds to hear him rail against the injustice of racism? If that isn't "saying and doing things about racism," then what is? I mean, what does this constitute if not a concerted effort to combat racism? A little bit of research could have saved you a lot of embarrassment. Heck, I'm even embarrassed for you.
JKWD. He probably thinks that Radio Raheem and Buggin' Out were completely in the right and that Sal deserved everthing he got.
I agree with this. I'm against Hate Crimes legislation because you are punishing people for what they think rather than what they do. I don't think you need to classify burning a cross in a black person's lawn as a separate "hate crime," since it certainly qualifies as making terroristic threats.
Fixed. Because 'tis the season. Once again, libertarian thought on this board has summed itself up in the phrase "strawman death camp." People concerned about racism against white people, like the men's rights movement, Scientologists, and the "The mainstream media hates soccer!" crowd, do more for their opponents than they could if they would only just shut their mouths.
Sorry. I'll save the "Do the Right Thing" analogies for Martin Luther King Day. And Pilate was in the right. The people were the dickheads.
Because if John kills Joe because Joe was boinking John's wife, that's a personal crime, against a single person. The "fear" affect is limited. If John kills Joe because John hates black people, and Joe happened to be the unfortunate black guy who crossed John's path, that has a chilling effect on an entire community, not to mention that it creates an atmosphere for anonymous payback by Random Black Guy killing Random White Guy. You may not like the reason, but if you can't see that there IS a reason for hate crimes legislation, it's because you're not smart enough.
Pilate may or may not have been in the right, but I'll save the "Treason is the Reason for the Season!" bit for Easter. Still, the "Give us Barabbas" sequence was one of the biggest historical laughers in the Bible, and that's saying something. Okay, so the Anthony Quinn movie was terrific. So was "Zardoz," and I don't see any flying stone heads anywhere.
Forgive him. Dave has a history degree That is he is a person who would rather sit back and let others try to change the world while he judges them from his easy chair. Those that actually move society through their actions are inferior in his mind.
Not to mention the fact that he is one of a very special bunch of people (by special I mean short-bus), that could study Russian History in college, and come away from it thinking strong central government socialism is a good idea.
You're mixing up the posters-who-know-a-heck-of-a-lot-more-than-you-do, but then again, it is a rather large contingent.
My main area of study was American history, more specifically, the US South in the mid 19th century, more specifically still, Spartanburg County SC during Reconstruction. That's all I can ask. I can respect someone who is against HCL. But people who act like there's no purpose to such legislation drive me nuts. It's one thing to discuss the pros and cons. That's a great discussion we've had a couple of times. But to just throw up one's hand and say, what's the difference between a racist murder and a garden variety murder, that's just wankery.
Its very difficult to express libertarian thought and not sound crazy. Its the same for people who advocate for the ACLU...people can' fathom how they'll defend a White Power group and the Black Panthers in the same sentence...its because at the core of libertarianism there is a fundamental principle where when there is less government interference and more people taking responsibility in their lives, we will be left with a more free, just and safer world.