Another GA kid gets 10 years for having consensual sex with someone 2 years younger than him

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  1. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Re: Sentencing issues

    This is a bit surprising (from a purely legal perspective). Most states have rape-shield laws that would prohibit the defense from engaging in these types of tactics. Usually the only exception to such laws is if the defense was claiming consent and she had instances in her past where she "consented" in similar fashion (I'm over-generalizing...but you get the picture).

    Regardless, this is a sad story. Not that it would be any comfort to your friend....but in my experience, it's pretty rare to see such a short sentence for a crime like you describe.
     
  2. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    Re: Sentencing issues

    You could be right. Since I was completely out of the loop at the time, I'm only guessing. I really don't know.

    Years later, when this old friend began calling my wife and I to ramble about everything BUT what was really on her mind, I regretted my absence from her life all over again. One night, I got tired of getting caught up in her circular reasoning and illogical non-sequitors, and in the hope of triggering a breakthrough I told her she damn well SHOULD be angry with her parents, and she needed to let them know. That was pretty much the last time we heard from her.

    Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad to know that this isn't the norm.
     
  3. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Sentencing issues

    No offense, but 33 years in the criminal justice system leaves me with the knowledge that there are a myriad of intangibles affecting the prosecution of crimes, especially sex crimes. Many victims have problems, that's often why they are targeted for attack. Subsequently, the victims, their families, the police +/or the prosecutors have questions about the victim's ability to testify, either at all or in a credible manner. This does not mean that victims cannot be believed. It does mean that tactical decisions are made to offer plea bargains, avoiding a trial & testimony. Other times, juries only convict on lesser charges, leading to reduced sentences. Obviously, I don't know the facts of the case you mention, but I found sex crimes the most difficult to resolve.
    A past president of the NDAA (National District Attorneys Association) once told me that his biggest fear was a failed sex crime prosecution that would destroy his career. I've seen it happen; currently Mr. Nifong's career is in limbo.
    As you mentioned, most rape-shield laws have exceptions. After closed-door hearings, sometimes cross-examination of certain prior behavior is allowed. Also, many states permit more questioning about events surrounding the attack, so rape kits which show the presence of semen from others besides the defendant, & hospital records that reveal the presence of alcohol or drugs in the victim's system, are often admitted. An instruction that this is "not to attack the character of the victim, but to permit the jury to evaluate the victim's ability to accurately perceive the events in question and to subsequently recall them" doesn't help much.
     
  4. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    Re: Sentencing issues

    No offense taken--I can't imagine why I would.
     
  5. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Perceptions

    People do get offended easily on BS! :D Glad you didn't perceive my comments that way. A lot of people were in high dudgeon earlier in this thread regarding my observation that Mr. Wilson would have been better advised to work his case out rather than take it to trial.
     
  6. wallacegrommit

    Sep 19, 2005
    Re: Sentencing issues

    No reason to feel bad for being a friend. It isn't fair to ask you to be more, you're not her therapist. I used to volunteer on a rape/abuse crisis line and these are typical calls you would get. There's no magic cure for these things and to some extent each person has to find their own way.
     
  7. Pathogen

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    Jul 19, 2004
    Like you care.
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    I don't want you to think I was accusing you of inaction. It would be a very tough situation. Honestly, I'd be scared of what I'd do if it was a friend or family member. I'm convinced I could do very bad things if I was pissed enough and felt justified in my actions.

    What you describe is a horrible situation. Hopefully her family comes around at some point because I think that's the only way this woman will ever pull through this.
     
  8. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    Which in itself is a sad commentary on how people still think about women and their behavior.

    Being the father of girls I know that if someone were to do something to them, the only chance that person would have is if the police got to them first.
     
  9. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    I didn't think that you were accusing me of inaction for a second, but thanks for saying so. And thanks for the kind thoughts.
     
  10. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Agreed 100%

    That's the part that really got me--I grew up knowing her family, and as a child considered her parents to be an uncle and aunt. After the fallout from the rape, I've never looked at them the same and have basically nothing to do with them.
     
  11. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    I can fully understand how you feel and I agree with how you feel as well.
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Re: Sentencing issues

    Surely, the point about prior behaviour and the matters you've raised ARE relevant to the issue of whether the witness is to be believed. Unfortunately these sometimes translates into a question of whether the girl was 'asking for it', which is bulls&it.
     
  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Re: Perceptions

    A particularly 'one-eyed' view if ever I heard one. We objected because we were saying that the law, in all it's components, hadn't worked correctly in this case. You just kept re-stating that, a) it had, (the powers that be seem to think differently by the looks of things anyway), and/or, b) that it was his own fault anyway - a position I and many others found unacceptable, (not to say plain daft).
     
  14. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    Perceptions

    A crime committed on videotape should lead to plea negotiations, not a trial. Attacks on the constitutionality of either the statute or the penalty need to be made pre-trial, not while the defendant is sitting in jail for years. Much like Wilson & BJ, you refuse to acknowledge reality. As for "the powers that be", the judge has made his decision, which is being appealed by the state's attorney general (himself African-American), so time will tell. There appear to be over 100 defendants in Georgia in similar straits, none of whom are currently being supported by a campaign more political than legal in nature. A majority are white.
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    M'lud, my case rests :D
     
  16. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
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    So the first kid (now man) who was thrown in prison for this is still there even after a judge said he should be let go because the law was changed due to his case.

    Who is fighting to keep this evil scourge of society locked up even though the law as it now is no longer applies to him? The Attorney General of Georgia, that's who.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/05/sharpton.wilson/index.html
     
  17. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    so is this guy a scumbag or what?

    District Attorney David McDade has handed out some 35 copies of a video of teenagers having sex at a party.

    McDade says Georgia's open-records law leaves him no choice but to release the footage because it was evidence in one of the state's most turbulent cases — that of Genarlow Wilson, a young man serving 10 years in prison for having oral sex with a girl when they were teenagers.

    He released the video after receiving an open records request from the AP, and said he has given it to about three dozen people, including reporters, lawmakers and several members of the public who requested it.

    Earlier this week, Georgia's chief federal prosecutor, U.S. Attorney David Nahmias, said the video "constitutes child pornography under federal law," and he called on McDade's office to stop releasing copies.

    "These laws are intended to protect the children depicted in such images from the ongoing victimization of having their sexual activity viewed by others," Nahmias said.

    Critics say that at the very least, McDade should have obscured the faces of the underage girls to conceal their identity, or sought a protective order to keep the material under seal.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Teen_Sex_Video.html?cxntlid=inform
     
  18. JBigjake

    JBigjake Member+

    Nov 16, 2003
    "Take the deal"

    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/king/stories/2007/07/11/mkinged_0712.html?cxntlid=inform
    "Genarlow, make this wise choice ... Get out of prison as soon as you can. ... Take the deal and fight the battle over the sex offender registry in a different arena."
    Chutzpah? An AP article noting complaints about the DA providing the tape at the AP's formal request?
     
  19. vivzig

    vivzig New Member

    Oct 4, 2004
    The OC
    Do NOT accept sex offender registry status if you can avoid it, EVER. The worst label--and hardest to shake--that anyone can have.

    Plus, Mike King is an idiot, dwelling on idiotic "facts."
    Not being a "real man" is not against the law. Legally, it is also impossible--17 is also a minor.

    And how does this:
    jibe with this?:
    Either it's child molestation or it's not. You can't argue both ways.
     
  20. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
  21. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    Long, long overdue, but still good to hear. :)
     
  22. vivzig

    vivzig New Member

    Oct 4, 2004
    The OC
    After only, what 2 years? And a 4-3 decision.

    I'm not going to bitch about about justice prevailing, but sloooooow justice...that's years of a kid's life.
     
  23. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
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    I hope that kid can make something out of his life after that.
     
  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
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    Good, now he needs to get his record cleared.
     
  25. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 16, 2002
    Kentucky
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    Leeds United AFC
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    United States
    Is that the same guy whom video taped his sexual experience with a minor. Sure there wasn't much difference but video taping does show a different intent. Still he probably has five or ten years probahation and a good system to work for employment. I orginally thought it was kinda harsh for consensual sex then I found out he video recorded it. Still if both persons and parents spoken in favor of him. There isn't any reason to hold the full amount. That is one hellaous move for the Country!
     

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