Bush' buddy mr. Musharraf

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Sardinia, Jun 24, 2003.

  1. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030624/ts_afp/us_pakistan_bush_030624163451

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...624/pl_afp/us_pakistan_newseries_030624192427

    Wow, 3 billion dollars!!!

    Now bush can continue his fight for freedom and democracy worldwide.

    I think Mushie who is a corageous friend of US will help.
     
  2. benito gattopardo

    benito gattopardo New Member

    Mar 7, 2003
    Even money that Bin Laden is hiding out at one of Musharraf's Saddam-style palaces.
     
  3. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Loyalty comes cheap these days.
     
  4. wu-tang beez

    wu-tang beez New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Irving, TX
    http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT]ap.org

    india test fired an anti exocet missile the other day and has remained defiant in its willingness to solve the Kashmire problem. The sale of f-16's should be approved(or at least threatened) to further show the Indians that Pakistan is still an important strategic ally of the US and we will not allow Islamabad to be pressured. Pakistan needs its limited nuclear deterrent to prevent a 1st strike scenario from being considered. In addition, if they can exterminate extremists in tribal controlled areas outside of the Govt's reach, the war on terror will turn for the better. The GOP contrlled Congress erred in 1999 in blocking the sale.

    I hope the $3billion includes enough economic aid for modernization. It seems, despite the 29 amendments that'll give him near dictatorial authority, Pervez is serious about reforms. Pakistan cannot be allowed to fall in the hands of fundamentalist anymore than it can fall to its hostile Indian neighbor.
     
  5. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Any of that money going directly to North Korea or will it be indirect?
     
  6. wu-tang beez

    wu-tang beez New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Irving, TX
    N.Korea used Pakistani scientist to advance their reprocessing capabilities and in return, it's believed Pakistan got medium range missile technology to defend themselves.

    if we had provided for them that need, NK woulda been cut out of the loop entirely. now we're stuck having to give them fuel and non agression assurances in exchange for cooperation.
     
  7. CrewDust

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    I'd rather have Musharraf in charge than a democratic government like they have in Iran.
     
  8. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    It gets better all the time.

    Yeah... free, democratic, peace loving Pakistan must be protected from the evil empire of India (who might just be linked to 9/11). Of course India does not have the right to keep nuclear weapons. Only the US and Pakistan of course. Why? What is good for the US is good for all of us. And if you don't agree we'll invade you.

    When we don't need Pakistan anymore we'll kick their ass too because they're a threat to the free world. And they have nukes you know.
     
  9. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    :D

    Also sprach herr President.
     
  10. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Wait a minute. Now that they're our friends, doesn't that make them a democracy?
     
  11. wu-tang beez

    wu-tang beez New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Irving, TX
    they're a constitutional democracy and have been strategic allies of the US going back 2 our presence deterring the Soviets from further expanding into central asia. U2 flights would land or depart from bases inside of the country and give us advance warnings of soviet capabilities deep inside of the motherland.

    Musharraf delegated some of his responsibilities but still remains the Army Chief and Prez, however, i don't think his intentions are to indefinitely stay in ofc. The govt he replaced, though legitimate, was corrupt and drove the Pakistani economy in the crapper.

    India, on the other hand, sided w/ the communist and became a client state.
     
  12. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    Come on Sardine, Bush was just trying to keep up with the EU!

    "The EU has used trade as well as aid to promote objectives such as the shoring up of the anti-terrorist front.Thus in December it combined T100 million of extra aid for Pakistan with a new package of trade meas-ures, to reward the Musharaf government for its help in the fight against the Taleban. The EU has removedall tariffs on clothes imported from Pakistan, and increased quotas for textiles and clothing by 15 per cent"

    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cach...t.pdf+Berlusconi+musharaf+news&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
     
  13. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Only if you bought the "you're either for us or against us" logic.
     
  14. michaec

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    May 24, 2001
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    A constitutional democracy? Didn't Musharraf take over as the result of a military coup?

    So you admit that in said coup, he replaced a legitimate elected government. Way to spread democracy and freedom there my friend.

    The Indian government can do whatever it likes because it is an elected body. Are you really afraid that the Commies are coming to get you?
     
  15. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    When the two sides split up, Kashmir was included in India, not Pakistan. Pakistan are clearly the aggressors here.

    Pakistan is also in league with the likes of China and North Korea. They even spoke out against Taiwan joining the WHO as an observer member during the height of the Chinese-flu (SARS) crisis.

    Why send a military dictatorship the F-16s? Send them to a democracy like Taiwan, not Islamabad.

     
  16. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Sardinia, Italy, EU
    First of all i have no problems to evidence EU or single EU member's government ************************.
    You're welcome.

    Name a terrorist act against europe lately...

    You can understand that we're just trying to help (please) you.
    You asked for more troops but we can't so you asked to please the "corageous friend of the USA" with some economical favour and we did it (but no free "aid package") to please you.

    Anyway Musharraf isn't yet a "courageous friend of the EU" and we usually don't pretend to be the heroes of "democracy and liberty" worldwide.

    We do this for you and you answer attacking and threating any country that switches or humbly let perceive the intention to switch from $ to € (and they're only pursuing their own interests).

    btw a suggestion: Don't search for Berlusconi's acts to "hurt" me, IMO he should be now in front of a jury waiting for sentence and then heading for jailtime.

    Your link - "essay_911_grant.pdf+Berlusconi+musharaf+news&hl=en&ie=UTF-8" ;)

    The end of the essay.
    If you can read thru the lines...
     
  17. Raj

    Raj New Member

    Oct 3, 1999
    East Kilbride, Scotl
    I don’t hold much faith in the current Indian government who seem to be too much of a bunch of religious rabble rousers for me;
    However, how anyone can claim that Pakistan is somehow superior to India amazes me.
    India has been a democracy since it became independent wheras Pakistan has continually moved into dictatorship whenever the army felt threatened.
    India allows all religions to practice; indeed there are more muslims in India than in Pakistan.
    India is also finally becoming an important economic partner.
    It’s software industry is thriving and the Infrastructure issues that stopped manufacturing becoming a major industry are being resolved.

    Perhaps more importantly from America’s point of view India as a country instinctively understands the need to have a strong policy against terrorism. Pakistan has backed the war on terror in a way designed to ensure it can still effect terrorist attacks against India.
    India deserves the support of the US in it’s own war against Islamic terror groups.
     
  18. wu-tang beez

    wu-tang beez New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Irving, TX
    http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iran_nuclear.html
    During a meeting with acting president Vladimir Putin, Russian Minister of Atomic Energy Yevgeniy Adamov denied allegations of supplying Iran and India with dual-use high technologies, including nuclear technologies. However, Adamov stated that Minatom intends to continue building nuclear reactors in Iran and India, in spite of pending US sanctions against a number of Russian research centers and academic institutions. The profit from building the nuclear power plan in Bushehr will be $800 million, and the other three Iranian projects are worth $2.5 billion.

    The connections of Iran’s nuclear ambitions to India thru a Russian 3rd party are a bit too dubious to dismiss. Yes, Pakistan’s relationship w/ NK to upgrade their missile deterrent w/ Nodong and Taepo-dongs is well documented and undisputed, but I’ve heard similar allegations about an Indian/Iranian connection. The later being natural based on the principle of keeping your natural enemies in balance by supporting their enemies; hence Iran supporting US military ops to oust the Taliban, their natural Wuhabi enemy. Ergo, the art of war-the enemy of my enemy is my friend- holds true here too.
     
  19. Raj

    Raj New Member

    Oct 3, 1999
    East Kilbride, Scotl
    I don’t really understand what you are trying to say here.
    Russia is supplying nuclear technology to both India & Iran.
    That does not imply that India is a terrorist or theocratic state.
    You seem to be implying that India is routing Russian nuclear technology to Iran.

    The quote does not say that at all.
     
  20. wu-tang beez

    wu-tang beez New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Irving, TX
    Russia is in the business of making money, period. i've heard that India has cooperated w/ Iran & the Russians would be a good 3rd party to mediate those transactions. India is obviously not a terrorist state, nor contributes to fundamentalist Islamic terrorism. However, their persistent rebuffs at resolving the Kashmir issue and hostility w/ our long standing ally indirectly brings them in conflict w/ American interest. In addition, the stability of the Musharef administration, since it’s reformist, secular, & moderate, is crucial in securing victory in the war on terror, because a)the proximity to Al-qaeda enclaves b)it’s stabilizing influence against rising fundamentalism.

    So therefore, Pakistan needs a deterrent capability to ensure that regardless of actions taken by terrorist groups in Kashmir or against the Govt of India, India will seek a diplomatic solution and not a military ousting of the Pakistani Govt. The latter would theoretically result in mutually assured destruction on a retaliatory detonation.
     
  21. AFCA

    AFCA Member

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    Does anyone see a point here except 'help our ally'?

    I think I'm missing it.
     
  22. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan

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