those seats are kick ass man, I hope you guys get an expansion or a promotion... along with seattle and portland
Check out PGE Park in Portland. Seats 19,566 for soccer. Wikipedia page can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGE_Park Its shared with a baseball team, as you can see from the pics. The capacity is already good for MLS, the only problem I can see is whether the team would pay rent and whether they would get to keep revenue from parking and concessions. Also, according to Google Maps the stadium is close to a few light rail stations. I'm not from Portland, but I saw other threads that mentioned this park and did some research.
I guess we dont understand the meaning of soccer specific stadium......ie not a minor league baseball park.
i agree, that is a terrible stadium for soccer. Half the field isn't even enclosed, and the part that is an arc shape which is gonna make the fans REALLY FAR from the actual pitch. oh, and from what I've heard about the Quakes stadium, Lew has said it'll be unlike anything currently in MLS, which most people take to mean it'll have a European design. This is backed by the fact that him and his partner were in Europe to look at stadiums. Wolff likes small capacities, and wants a 15,000 seater; I think his staff wants 25,000, they'll probably compromise with an 18 to 20k seater. Wolff recently toured other MLS stadia, including BMO field, which he liked. Because of this, they'll probably be a lot of metal in the new stadium to increase noise, it WILL have a roof (seriously, why don't American stadiums have semi-enclosed roofs in other sports, it just makes too much sense to increase fan comfort and noise levels), and seats will be extremely close to the field. This last is a must, as this is part of Wolff's philosophy with the new A's stadium as well: bring the fans close to the action.
Wolff recently toured other MLS stadia, including BMO field, which he liked. Because of this, they'll probably be a lot of metal in the new stadium to increase noise, it WILL have a roof (seriously, why don't American stadiums have semi-enclosed roofs in other sports, it just makes too much sense to increase fan comfort and noise levels), and seats will be extremely close to the field. This last is a must, as this is part of Wolff's philosophy with the new A's stadium as well: bring the fans close to the action.[/QUOTE] beacuse open air stadia is better plus you can get good camera shots of the surrounding areas
http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/countries/argentina.shtml bump was watching the argentine clausura, we should model some stadiums after those, just a bit more up to date than some ive seen. could be good for atmosphere if made correctly.
Here is the information, which I believe is accurate: Existing Stadiums: Crew Stadium, Kokosing Construction, $28.5 million, capacity 22,555, opened 1999 Home Depot Center, Rossetti Architects, $150 million, capacity 27,000, opened 2003 Pizza Hut Park, HKS (Dallas), $80 million, capacity 21,193, opened 2005 Toyota Park, Rossetti Architects, $98 million, capacity 20,000, opened 2006 Dick’s Sporting Goods Park, HOK Sport, $131 million, capacity 18,086, opened 2007 BMO Field, Rossetti Architects, $69 million (Canadian Dollars), capacity 20,195, opened 2007. Under Construction: Red Bull Park, Rossetti Architects, $100 million estimated, capacity about 25,000. Real Salt Lake Stadium, Rossetti Architects, $86 million estimated, capacity about 20,000. Note that Rossetti, a favorite of AEG, really dominates MLS stadium designs. They did five of the eight stadiums that have been built or under construction.
Thanks so much for that post! Rep coming your way! Doh: Need to spread rep around before giving you more! Cheers!
Not at all. BTW, looking at your post I just noticed that Crew Stadium design credits should also include NBBJ Sports and Entertainment. Sorry for that omission.
Since Houston's Robertson was shown, I suppose it's kosher to show DC United's RFK, which, as soon as the current baseball season is over, will once again be soccer-specific. In current configuration it holds at least 46,686 (the number watching Beckham's first match against United), has both a lower and upper bowel, which enables United's usual 20,000 or so to fill the lower bowel and create a great atmosphere. The sound is reflected back in by both the overhang of the upper bowl seating and by the roof above it. The lower stands on the left side of the picture bounce. It is one great soccer stadium, with terrific sight lines, particularly from the upper deck. The picture shows it at it's 58,000 configuration, which it held for the Olympic match between the US and Portugal, breaking an all time attendance record for the place (yes, even more than any Redskins game in that team's hay days). There currently are no stands behind either goal. It's all we've got (as earlier posters mentioned, things aren't so happy on the new stadium front...check out the DC boards if you're interested), and it's a great old stadium...but it's slowly falling apart. I love the place, having watched United, Freedom, and US Men's and Women's National team games there, including WC qualifiers and Olympic matches. It will be sad to leave it. The '94 World Cup had five matches on that field. Holland played there. Italy played there. Come experience it for yourself on November 18th for the MLS Cup.
You know what's interesting is how many stadiums are approaching $100M+ to build. I have seen posts in threads about European stadiums, and they often come in for far less money. One of my favourites is this one (you posted it): The Stadium Guide has the cost of the arena as €12M which translates to: 12 000 000 Euros = 16.1952 million U.S. dollars. I wonder why more SSS in North America couldn't come in for that kind of money. It would certainly make it easier for more clubs to build their own stadiums. Cheers!
I know this probably could never happen but can't D.C. Uniteds owners just buy RFK and renovate it to a soccer stadium. And maybe the National team can use it as as a National stadium. That would be cool but is it possible since they'd be the only ones using it?
I'll fess up. I'm a real estate developer and an attorney and I have delt with construction numbers professionally for many years. Having said that, I really can't explain the dramatic cost difference between MLS stadiums and what you see in Europe. Part of the reason, I suspect, is that we often aren't given "apples to apples" comparisions in public cost reports. Land, parking (especially with a parking garage), related public infrastructure, design and engineering fees -- those are all significant dollar figures that aren't typically included in hard construction costs. Even so, having looked at a number of these stadiums and their purported costs, I do think that many excellent MLS sized stadiums are being built in Europe for about $60 million US -- still well below what is being spent here.
Not to nitpick, but RSL's stadium will have a total cost of: $110 million See Online Brochure. (Page 3 of 9) RSL contributes $65 million ($72.5 million less $7.5 million for Youth Fields) Salt Lake County $35 million (Land + Infrastructure) Sandy City $10 million (Project Related Costs, Infrastructure, Parking, etc) One thing I'm not 100% sure on is that there is already $20 million earmarked for a joint-use parking structure if a convention center nearby... EDIT - I'm getting a tour of the site tomorrow. Some details I've gotten so far: - 20,000 permanent seats (all seats, no benches) - additional capacity "breakaway bleachers" on the South end (I'm not sure how many) - Originally planned 32 suites, but has been reduced ONLY because they have made some suites larger (i.e. less 15, 18 seat suites and a few 21, 27 seat suites)
I'd love for there to be a National Stadium, but I don't see anything like that happening anywhere in the US anytime soon. I can't imagine many city governments or the federal government in this time footing the bill for a specialized stadium. Why doesn't DCU Holdings just buy RFK? DC owns the stadium, but the land is federal property. DC is only allowed to use the land for a sporting stadium. DC has no incentive to build a new stadium on the land. One of the reasons there hasn't been development on the site is because the land is as dirty and contaminated as the land where the RedBulls are building their stadium. Chemicals from military testings are all over the place. Environment studies and cleanup would have to be done before construction and that would add a significant amount to the costs. I love RFK, but it is falling apart and very much outdated. From a cost-benefit standpoint, it isn't worth it to keep the place from falling apart and running. DC would love to let the place fall down as soon as possible. DC does have plans for the RFK site if the federal government gives the land back to the District. The plans are mostly for memorials and parks. Of course those plans could all change in a second if Dan Snyder decides he wants to return the Redskins to DC and build a retractable roof or domed stadium that could host the Super Bowl. Many believe the Snyder plan would also include development around the stadium much like the DC United plan for Poplar Point. Snyder would also ask for the land and infrastructure and he would build the stadium and all of the development around it. Mr. Snyder is also smart enough to realize that the dimensions of the field should be large enough for soccer and other athletic events as is the trend with the newest NFL stadiums. Snyder has long said he wants the Super Bowl and he knows the conditions for getting it. Snyder also has paid attention to new stadiums like the new Dallas Cowboys stadium. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the new Redskins stadium being a "National Stadium." About 100,000 people watching a soccer game in DC would be a dream come true
An example that proves the point -- you are including other costs that typically are not in the "hard construction cost" number for the stadium, which assumes you set the structure down on a pad ready site.
US soccer doesnt need a national stadium, why these one minded soccer people think every country has to be the same. look we have the best sports facilities in the world far and away NFL NCAA staduims all world class.