WC Qualifying starts in October! Once again we will play an 18-game schedule. The difference this time is that all games will come in pairs of two (Wed-Sun the same week, or two in the 08 and 09 European off-season), allowing fewer call-ups and more cohesion. I think a few guys at the Copa America really earned their spots, but of course we still have some injured guys (JC, Lúcio) who did not play, some young guys to try out (Marcelo, Maxwell, Jô? Denilson? Lucas?) And Kaká and Ronaldinho. Who should we call up and who should we put on the field?
Long marathon again!! I guess we'll start v Colombia(in Bogota I bet....altitude suckas!!) then come back home v Ecuador at Maracana!! Here's my lineup if it was my choice: JULIO CESAR CICINHO-ALEX-JUAN-LUCIO-MARCELO D.ALVES-GILBERTO SILVA- BAPTISTA ROBINHO-RONALDO RESERVES: DONI, MAICON, NALDO, GILBERTO, JOSUE, RENATO, DIEGO, ADRIANO, LUIS FABIANO
Okay, Copa America is over, time for the best brazilians to come play, first thing to do is to know that Vagner Love, Afonso, Fernando, Alex Silva and maybe some others are completely useless and should completely be dropped from the team....btw Im happy for the Confed. Cup spot we just got today....Itll be tough for the players to get a starting spot but we'll see what happens, my choice for the starters and subs are -----------Julio Cesar---------------- Cicinho-----Lucio----Juan-----Gilberto ---------Gilberto Silva---------------- --------------------Lucas------------ -------Ronaldinho---------Kaka------- -----------Robinho------------------- ----------------------Ronaldo-------- SUBS-Doni....Maicon....Alex....Naldo......Marcelo....Denilson.....Josue Diego.....Anderson.....Pato......Fred
I thought that at first too - but look again, he listed a 5-3-2!!! I think he's been listening to my calls for a 3-5-2...
How about 3-5-2 ??? I am tired of 4-4-2 with 2 DMs and 2AMs. ---------- Julio Cesar ------------ Naldo ------- Lucio ------- Juan ------- Gilberto Silva ---- Jouse/Mineiro/Lucas (maybe too young) Dani Alves --- Kaka' --- Julio Baptista ----- Ronaldo ----- Robinho ------
Yes... whatever we do, we need to drop that midfield box. Bring in more Falcão and Cerezo types - not pure d-mids. Júlio Baptista, Elano, Josué. Eventually Lucas and Denílson... Now, that either means more solid fullbacks or a different formation. I think we should be ready to play both and have the personnel to do so. Do we have the coach though? The only Brazilian coach to show that ability to adjust recently was Felipão. And it was greatly responsible for our World Cup win.
Here's my 23 for now, keeping in mind I pray for Dunga to use more of an ala system than a full-back system. Júlio César, Gomes, Doni Daniel Alves, Maicon Lúcio, Juan, Luisão, Alex, Naldo Gilberto, Maxwell Elano, Júlio Baptista, Josué, Kaká, Gilberto Silva, Mineiro Ronaldinho Gaúcho, Robinho, Anderson Ronaldo, Fred I'd take Juninho Pernambucano if he is indeed unretired - he'd fit this less boxy midfield that requires more versatility.
3-5-2/5-3-2 has always been my favorite formation I hate the 4-4-2!! I wanted to leave out R-Dinho and Kaka out for the rest of the year to teach them a lesson, but I wont open a can of worms with that one.........But what I do miss about R-Dinho is the free kicks cause at the Copa we didn't have not 1 single good free kick taker!!(very rare for us!! )
And now, how would be your team for the WCQ? After an unexpeceted and categorical victory against our Hermanitos in Copa America, how would be your brazilian National Team for the World Cup Qualifiers? My first team would be: - Rogério Ceni - Daniel Alves; Juan; Lucio; Kléber - Gilberto Silva; Josué; Ronaldinho Gaucho; Kaká - Ronaldo; Robinho Reserves: - Julio Cesar - Cicinho; Alex; Miranda; Gilberto - Mineiro; Juninho Pernambucano; Alex; Diego - Luis Fabiano; Adriano Maybe putting Mineiro in Robinho's place in complicated games like Argentina or Uruguay away, forming a Ronaldo-Ronaldinho attack. We could also test Liedson in the attack. He is scoring goals like crazy in Portugal. What do you think?
I don't like Kaka' and Ronaldinho starting together. Their styles just seem to different to work well.
Brasil NT overall analysis!! I will first say Im very happy with the Final result, especially considering the game we had and the score... However, I'll say what Ive already said in another thread, Brasil's overall balance is MUCH WORSE than Argentina's. Yes we won and they didn't, but fact is we played like shit most games, and our overall ability to score create scoring chances was limited, and it HAS been since Dunga took over... starting from the game against England where we DID have Kaka, Ronaldinho and Robinho... Positives: - Robinho, overall he had a good Copa America, top goal scorer and few moments of Brilliance, however when the team needed him most like against Uruguay and Argentina, he failed to contribute. (Starting 11) - Baptista, he contributed to the team very well and showed heart, as well as desicive moments such as the first Goal... However to ME, personally, I dont like his style of game nor his abilities, but I definetrly thank him... (Sub) - Josue, I have to say I fell in love with this boy, I saw him in both Sao Paulo Libertadores playing along Danilo, Cicinho, Souza, Mineiro, Lugano etc. and didnt know he could fill the role so WELL... Dont like the fact that gets stupid unnecesary yellows, and has no idea what to do with the ball when attacking. (Starting 11) Btw, How old is he? - Juan... What can I say about him that you guys dont know... ... (Starting 11 Captain) - Maicon, very good on the right side, as well as when going forward... Come back a bit slow (*) - Daniel Alves, showed when givent the chance that he could definety perform on a very high level and comeback is fast... Gets stupid yellows (*) - Gilberto was amazing overall as he was in the Confederations 2005, and overall I like him... (Starting 11) - Gilberto Sylva, is good overall and has the experience for the Position... However he is not fast and stupid yellows. (Starting 11) - Doni, he has some great saves... However I feel very insecure with him on Goalie. (Sub) Negatives: - Alex, he may have had a grand finale, but the fact remains that he is slow, and distracted, besides the fact that he leaves his back uncovered... Does the job sometimes and deserves a chance. (Sub) - Elano, failed to show woth overall during the tournament, and failed to convince... However had some good moments, especially against Argentina. (Sub) - Mineiro, left his back open, fails to keep control of the ball, imprecise passing, and his "tecnica" is far from impressive, aside of course from his age... Has some moments, but too few. (Out) - Alfonso Alves, were he the goal scorer of the English League by 10 goals of a difference, and I still wouldnt call him up, too heavy and non mobile as well as horrible ball control... Goal scorer at his league. (Out) - Diego, unless he starts performing with the team from now on, he may be talented bot doesnt prove his worth... Is very talented. (Sub/Out) - Anderson, he was out of form and his overall performance wasnt good... the talent and hear are there, I'll say if he performs at ManU (Tevez, C. Ronaldo, Roonie, Giggs) then he's a quality player. (Sub) - Vagner Love, yes I know you were all waiting on this one, not much to say except that he barely participates in the game, doesnt unmark himself, doesnt open spaces and doesnt have ball control, and to top it off has been given one too many chances and doesnt score in the position where scoring is everything... Was assist leader and had a good game against Argentina, but his job is to score and he hasnt. (Out) - Kleber, didnt perform when his chance was given and I dont like him much... Did it well for Santos in Libertadores. (Out) * Daniel Alves and Maicon are competing over ONE SPOT, because that Volante crap for Daniel Alves I do NOT like it... So it's one or the other, however Im inclined towards Alves because of his overall ability and technique. (Still both did well) Gameplay: Deffense, it had it's ups and down, but overall Dunga is making it work, which is a relief, and even with horrible choice on some players, the overall deffense was good. Fullbacks, they did they're job and pretty well may I add, dont like that just one goes up at a time, though it gives surprise to the attack. Deffensive Midfield, was having alot of problems with G. sylva and Mineiro, but once Josue showed up it suddenly changes greatly to the better. Creation, suffered all throughout the tournament and previous to the tournament with our stars like Robinho, Ronaldinho and Kaka... Dunga has failed to make a team that can create chances for itself, and does not play with beauty which has been a characteristic in 4/5 WC for Brasil as well as being an image directly related to Brasil NT. Offense, neglecting Robinho's performace, it as well suffered though we may have had a large scoring on our side, we have to take into account that offense suffered severly because of the lack of creation, and the Final against Argentina was a direct cause of Brasil's counterattacking them, which worked here but I doubt it'll work in Qualifiers or more important matches. All this apart from the fact that our performance is not overall good, and the team lacks mobility, ball control in short spaces, scoring, and overall QUALITY football. ImO here Dunga should consider getting some advice from another Coach, I personally still prefer if Zico had the team in his hands or was part of the staff with Dunga... (Pure dreams I know) This is a VERY REAL PROBLEM which could cause us suffering in the Qualifiers. So, how would my ideal current formation be? -Ronaldinho-------Ronaldo----------- --------------------------Robinho/Other ---------------Kaka----------------- --------Josue--------G. Sylva-------- Gilberto-----------------------D. Alves/Maicon ------------Juan------Naldo--------- ---------------J. Cesar-------------- Subs: Doni Gomes Alex Luisao Maicon/Alves Marcelo Elano Lucas Diego Baptista Anderson Adriano My position on this formation, well its an attack with 6 players idea, without forgetting the deffense, where Dm's never go up, and the Fullbacks take their place in attacking. A mobile player is needed so that spaces will open up, which is why I put Robinho on that spot, and allowing Ronaldinho FULL FREEDOM. When deffending I would do a double 4-3 line up with either Kaka OR Robinho in midfield ready for a counterattack while the other is in the 3 Zone marking, and have Ronaldo and Ronaldinho moving and ready for a counterattack. I justify taking Ronaldo and Adriano on the fact that they are both, even if out of form, much better than Vagner Love OR Alfosno Alves and in a way secure good GOAL SCORING forwards, especially now that Ronaldo is getting in form again and being given confidence at Milan. Only other justification seems Marcelo and Lucas, who ImO are very important for the future of the team, for one Gilberto wont be in an ideal age for the next WC, and ImO Marcelo should start the Second Half of the Qualifiers to start getting the confidence he needs and experience as well, aside from being Sub o the first Half of Qualifiers. On the other hand, Lucas could provide what Josue lacks, which is precise passing when going forward, or should he go forward (which case one FB stays) he has the ability, would be very complement each other well and again should start the second half of the Qualifiers, if of course they perform during this time. As for Alexandre Pato, if all goes well once again, he should start getting called up for the NT however ONLY as a sub while gaining experience by entering a few minutes in secured games OR playing full games with no pressure under him... That way he can be cultivated slowly and maybe by the time of 2010 WC he's already a star on the team.. Ideal 2010 team, as of now of course : -Ronaldinho-------Ronaldo*----------- ----------------------------Anderson ---------------Kaka----------------- --------Josue--------Lucas---------- Marcelo-----------------------D. Alves ------------Juan------Naldo--------- ---------------J. Cesar-------------- *If he's fit, why not? Subs: Doni Gomes Alex Luisao Maicon Gilberto Elano G. Sylva Diego Alexandre Pato Robinho Adriano Congratulations Dunga, I've crtitisized him alot, and still do as seen above, but he did very well when preparing he players, Pschicologically, to go out to the Pitch and think as winners, which allowed the win... That was definetly an very important part of winning the Final, so Congratulations on him for that, as well as his marking up there idea.
The 4 volantes midfield worked well against argentina but what if we play a defensive team like Italy ?? I highly doubt it Dunga will be changing his strategy, so we can expect a minimum of 3 volantes in his teams. That being said, I think alot of players from this Copa team can be absorbed into WCQ, my team for the qualifiers would be as follows : (Assuming all players are injury free) -----------------Julio Cesar/Gomes--------------------------------- Maicon--------------Lucio-----------Juan----------Gilberto------------- -------G.Silva-------Julio Baptista--------Josue------------------------- ---Kaka-----------------------------------------Ronaldinho--------------- ---------------------Fred------------------------------------------------ In a traditional 4-4-2 robinho would play up front with Fred, but i opted for a 3 dmid midfield to simulate more or less what we might expect from Dunga. I like the versatility Baptista gives us on the midfield, he can defend as well as attack. I am hoping Lucas can become a refined version and thus take his place. I am not particulary comfortable with Gilberto but both of his competitors, maxwell and marcello are subs in their respective teams. I wish someone new would be discovered or either maxwell or marcelo start getting some regular playing time. In the right back Maicon and Daniel Alves get the nod over cicinho. The attack is also a big ??????? But clearly Love is not a brazilian #9 , he has had the chance to prove it 17 times with only 3 goals.
With Fabio Grosso moving to Lyon it is likely that Maxwell will work his way into a starting role at Inter.
Re: Brasil NT overall analysis!! You forgot all about the great Lucio, he would start instead of Naldo
You have to take into consideration that Dunga ahs already played with V. Love, Robinho, Ronaldinho and Kaka all together from the start... ... Maybe, but Isnt Lucio very old now? I thought Naldo was young... And we definetly NEED to get Real Madrid's Pepe in the team, I read he's a very good deffender.
VERY OLD? No, he was born in 1978, the guy isnt old at all, Dunga wouldnt drop such a very good defender for Naldo Pepe has been a Portuguese citizen since 2006, he wont get called up to the Brazilian team, its more likely a callup from the Portugal NT
I think Pato + Robinho can pay dividends up front. Can't wait until we play Pato and see what he cand do up front.
pepe isnt a citizen yet. the papers will be finalized next month i believe. i think the situation is ridiculous if he does in fact end up playing for portugal, after he leaves portugal, but whatever. we don't exactly need him. i think our defense is young and has plenty of depth. but as my friend says, we need to protect our assets and keep them away from other national teams. what sucks is that pepe was called up to our U23 team a few years back but he had some visa issues and could not enter the US to play a game. ugh. he might still be convinced to play for us. i don't know. a lot of what players say are BS. if he isnt capped by portugal by november, i think dunga would call him up...and honestly, Pepe would be foolish to turn it down. lucio probably has two more years left in him. pepe can be our main guy by that time and still play a lot. but who knows.