Line up after the U-20's?

Discussion in 'Real Salt Lake' started by ccb1212, Jul 7, 2007.

  1. Bolo

    Bolo New Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    Pure comedy gold, yea Adu should play 20 minutes a match for RSL because their roster is so stacked with talent.

    I find it hard to take your commentary serious, there are players sitting on the bench for the U-20 (Dax McCarthy) team that start for MUCH better teams than RSL.
     
  2. ut8man

    ut8man Member

    Oct 16, 2004
    The SLC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I agree completely.

    We suck, and everyone's suggestions for a line up are basically the same thing we've been doing all season long. That will work.
     
  3. Immanuel Kant

    Immanuel Kant Member

    Aug 8, 2006
    Sandy
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    With half the team having given up and others burning out trying to carry the team, I don't think it makes much difference what the line up looks like after the U-20's. This thing will be blown up in the off season. With that in mind, if you could keep any starters to build the team going forward, who would they be. For me, the only slam dunks are:

    1. Eskandarian - This dude flat out busts ass and takes heat of any forward we put out there with him.
    2. Rimando - Without him, we may not have a result all season.

    Aside from these 2 and Pope, I think everyone on the team has been a major dissapointment this year, both talent-wise and effort-wise. I wouldn't be really upset if any of the other guys come back next year. Kind of interesting that these guys are former DC players. Maybe coming from a winner has acted as shield to our karma.
     
  4. BalanceUT

    BalanceUT RSL and THFC!

    Oct 8, 2006
    Appalachia
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering that Okocha isn't signed to RSL, I find it laughable that so many people are posting lineups with him in them. How about a lineup based on people actually on the roster?
     
  5. RealSLC

    RealSLC New Member

    Feb 2, 2007
    -----------Rimando-----------
    --Kipre----Pope--Sturgis/Forko-
    ------Besagno---Talley-------
    -Watson------------Williams--
    -----------Okocha-----------
    -------Esky-------Adu-------

    I've always been intrigued by the 3-5-2.. Watson on the wing is a bit iffy I'll admit.
     
  6. RedDevil013

    RedDevil013 Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Ogden
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I might have to add a couple people to that. Findley - young and talented and worth keeping. Sturgis - Our defender of the future. Kipre - Has good talent and raw speed. Ballouchy - Has not played well this year but I think he still has a bright future. Williams - Been easily one of the best players for us this year.

    I think Kries needs to go at the end of the year. I know he hasn't had much time, and I try to remain hopeful, but he can't motivate the team to even try. He did much like Coach E and got the team in a mind set that a draw = victory. He has the team playing not to loose, which then of course we loose. I say we need to dump Kries and look at either a good coach from another country (probably central or south america), or an up and coming college coach. We dont need just another recycled MLS head coach. We need something new. The FO needs to be torn down and replaced. All of them. I can't think of a single one that should stay. However, as long as DC owns the team, that probably wont ever happen because some of them are related, the rest of them are all friends. Kind of an interesting trend here. The owner picks his friends to run the team. Then picks a somewhat friend for the coach, who in turn picks his friends to play on the team. Why we must have the friendliest team in the league!!:D
     
  7. jeito

    jeito Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow! Are you a 16 year-old girl? First off, they are completely different players and 2nd, Mehdi is a far superior player and that opinion is shared by every player on the team and coach.
     
  8. beaveman

    beaveman New Member

    Feb 12, 2007
    Mapleton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watson on the wing is probably better than Talley and Ballouchy on the wings, which the DesNews today said was the lineup for the Crew debacle. I didn't realize they were playing on the wings before.
     
  9. jeito

    jeito Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    -----------Rimando----------
    Kipre---sturgis---pope---forko

    ------------Atiba------------

    williams-----Adu-----ballouchy

    ----eskandarian---findley-------
     
  10. I_Believe_In_Kreis

    Oct 2, 2006
    on the pitch
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing......how did you fit so much bullshit into two little sentences? Let's analyze this, shall we?

    You ridicule the RCB's blog by saying that Mehdi and Watson "are completely different players", therefore they can't be compared.........then TWO WORDS LATER you declare "Mehdi is a far superior player." Sounds like a comparison to me. Tell me, if they're "completely different", how did you conclude that "Mehdi is a far superior player?"

    Next is your statement about how your opinion "is shared by every player on the team and coach." I suppose you've asked each one of them who is better, right? Unless you're on the team, I'm willing to bet I spend far more time with the team than you (thanks to AYL), and I've NEVER ONCE heard anyone say anything about one player being better than another.

    Funny thing is, I don't disagree with what you're saying - I just felt it was my duty to expose your crock of shit post.
     
  11. beaveman

    beaveman New Member

    Feb 12, 2007
    Mapleton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Kipre has been one of the better players this season as well. Not a dissapointment in my book.
     
  12. Riptide311

    Riptide311 New Member

    May 9, 2007
    Utah
    Kipre is hit or miss. He has had some great plays, but has also screwed the pooch mightily.
     
  13. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Have any of you been WATCHING the U-20 WC?

    If you aren't going to start Seitz, trade him. If you aren't going to play Adu in attacking midfield, trade him (I assume you will anyway). Otherwise, you're fielding perhaps the worst starting 11 in soccer, and yet managing to put some players who are showing fantastic value on your bench.
     
  14. Bobby Boucher

    Bobby Boucher New Member

    Jul 6, 2007
    That's all you can say to defend Medhi??? LOL

    Back up your claims. I'm calling it like I see it on the field and have the stats to back it up. You have nothing to prove your claim.

    BTW, if you think only 16 yr old girls note Watson's accomplishments, then your a bigger idiot than your post suggests.
     
  15. jeito

    jeito Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I am known to be efficient. (lots of BS in 2 lines) Let me give a basketball analogy to help some of you. Paul Milsap and Derron Williams are completely different players, yet, I think I'm okay to say that Derron Williams is far superior. You wouldn't bench Williams to start Milsap, you may bench Kirilenko to start Milsap.

    I'm happy that you get to spend so much time with the players, so I'm not going to get in a pissing match about who has more "face time" with them, but I have asked the question to some players and some coaches and the consensus is that Mehdi is a superior player. JK wasn't too thrilled in his postgame comments about Jamie missing the chances he had against TFC. For some reason, I can't help but think that many of the "bench Mehdi for Jamie" fans are the same fans who cheered and gushed over Jeff Cunningham coming back with "I love you Jeff" signs and the whole bit. Same mentality.
     
  16. jeito

    jeito Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not defending Mehdi, he starts and plays 90, Jamie doesn't.

    What do you see on the field with Jamie? A few 10-15 minutes appearances? Robert Scarlett and Tiger Fitzpatrick looked good in that role. What are Watson's accomplishments? He started in the 2005 U17 world cup? He hustles? Mehdi is the consummate professional both on and off the field. Read the comments from JK about Mehdi being a great 2-way player so his offensive stats don't really show the full extent of his contribution.

    The 16 year old girl comment was not intended to suggest that they know of his accomplishments, (there are none) but rather the fact that they want him to play more because they think he's cute, which seems to be where your coming from.
     
  17. Bobby Boucher

    Bobby Boucher New Member

    Jul 6, 2007
    If you’re spending more face time with the players, it’s only because you keep asking for autographs or you’re collecting their used towels, OR you're a relative of Medhi's.

    Regarding your much biased post of Medhi gets more PT and Jamie doesn’t, therefore Medhi is better, I don't believe I've ever seen a more childish and moronic statement; and that my little friend is not considered viable backup. I suggest you get off of MySpace and do a little research, then get back with us.
     
  18. jasoncox

    jasoncox New Member

    Jun 28, 2004
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's all try to keep the personal attacks, name calling and shots below the belt somewhere else. The are not needed and add nothing positive to discussions.
     
  19. jeito

    jeito Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder who would have more trade value?? Hmmm... I think we all know that answer. You throw up a few stats about shots per minute and shots on goal per minute and that's compelling? Wow! Who the hell cares about that?

    I'm not saying Jamie shouldn't get some more minutes. I think Kyle Brown should too. But they should take minutes from someone other than Ballouchy. Jamie's job is to go in the game and create some offense. He can go balls to the wall because he only plays for 10-15 minutes, give or take. Mehdi and Jamie do different things, they are a very different type of player. But, Mehdi is widely considered a better all around player.

    That's why Jamie was a 2nd team all-conference player in college, Mehdi was a 1st team all-american. That's why Mehdi was drafted in the 1st round, 2nd overall pick and Jamie was drafted in the 2nd round, 13th overall. That's why Mehdi plays 90 minutes and Jamie plays 47 minutes for the season. There's my research. By the way, nice myspace page Boucher, creepy, but well done.
     
  20. Bobby Boucher

    Bobby Boucher New Member

    Jul 6, 2007
    Aww, we're just having some fun. :D
     
  21. Kevin8833

    Kevin8833 Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Estero, FL
    I am no RSL fan and I admit I know hardly anything about your team, but you have no chance of making the playoffs anyways and have some serious young talent with Seitz, Sturgiz, Besagno, Adu and Finley why not play them all and build for the future, a few years down the road with a core of those 5 players you would be a major force in the league.
     
  22. ports485

    ports485 New Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    Phoenix, Flagstaff
    Sorry to break this to you, but the U-20 World Cup does not = MLS.

    You didn't see Arsenal starting Adebayor over Henry just because he played better for Togo than Henry did for France.

    The question with Adu is: "does he produce enough for REAL SALT LAKE to earn a starting position for REAL SALT LAKE?" Not "does he play well enough for the U-20 NATS to earn a starting position for REAL SALT LAKE?"

    For RSL, Williams and Findley have been better than Adu. Therefore, Adu rides the pine.

    You earn national team spots by your club performances, it doesn't work in reverse.
     
  23. ports485

    ports485 New Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    Phoenix, Flagstaff
    Though I agree with you that Ballouchy is a better player than Watson, how good he was in college, how high his trade value is, and when he was picked in the draft mean VERY, VERY LITTLE.

    Findley was the 5th forward picked in the draft. But he's been one of the best rookies this season, and probably ties with Cristman for the title of best rookie forward. When you were picked in the draft means NOTHING.
     
  24. ports485

    ports485 New Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    Phoenix, Flagstaff
    Where do you start Adu in the RSL system? Have you SEEN his performances at club level this year? He hasn't done enough to warrant a start over Williams, Findley, Eskandarian, or even Ballouchy. Sorry. How well he plays for the U-20s doesn't count. Even Kreis isn't that stupid.
     
  25. Bolo

    Bolo New Member

    Jan 16, 2007
    Ballouchy, Ballouchy?

    You can't be serious, tell me you are not serious. You do realize that in 14/14 starts Ballouchy (your starting CAM) has zero assist, zero goals, 1/2 the SOH and isn't a threat or a playmaker?

    It's no secret, Adu has said from day one he is a CAM and shows that over and over when allowed to play the position. Here is the real question, could Adu play CAM any worse that Ballouchy has this year? If not why not see what happens?

    Adu (from the wing, not CAM) leads RSL in assist, Shots, Shots on goal in 10/1/2 games vs 14 for everyone else. The fact that you single this player out on this god awful team shows your obvious bias.

    I should say I like Ballouchy's heart and effort, I'm sure he will be a quality player but that's not the point. No starting CAM in the league has been less of an impact than him, none.

    Look at Adu then Look at Dax McCarthy against the same competition, it's clear that while both are quality players Adu is in a diffrent ability league, then remember Dax starts on a much superior side to RSL.
     

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