Tu Predicción de La Copa America 2007

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  1. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    1. Wdf are you doing up at this hour? Or are you pulling an all-nighter to watch the U20s? :p

    2. One of the reasons a lot of the guys that went to the GC did not make the trip to the CA is because MLS is generally (mostly) a summer league. As a result, if you're away for two months playing with the NT, you're missing almost 2/3 of your club season. No club wants that. This obviously goes for the MLSers on the USNT.

    3. Furthermore, the US gambled on playing with their "better" players on the theoretically "easier" tournament. This gamble may not seem like a lot, but when you're talking about playing at the Confederations Cup, well...Even if they brought up the best players to the CA, I doubt they would've won it. And considering they're not from this zone, even if they won, they probably would not have been allowed into the Confederations Cup (had they won the CA).

    4. Even the better Mexican players (the Europe-based ones) did not make both trips (Osorio, Pardo, Salcido).

    5. I do agree with you, to an extent, about the whole playing in the safety net of the CONCACAF. But if we're talking comparison here, one has to point out the US has beaten Mexico where it should count the most: at the WC and at the GC final (fair and square).

    Metro
     
  2. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    1) You betcha, it's all about la Rojita

    As for the US being overwhelmingly better than Mexico, that's where I digress

    The GC performance should be the best indicator of who is the best, but then I look at both teams performances in WC 2006 and Copa America 2007.

    In recent head to head results the US may have the edge, but in overall performances with consistency, Mexico has proven to be much more stable.

    ~~Wouldn't mind watching the US play Mexico in Mexico City
     
  3. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I never said overwhemingly. ;)

    The comparison should be done in some sort of weighted basis. Thus, the GC final and the WC game would be more relevant when comparing the two.

    Metro
     
  4. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The Copa America is another assestment of what a team is willing to offer, and the US offered three straight losses.

    A, B, C, or Z teams aside on record Mexico ends up beating Brazil 2-0 and qualifying to the next round while the US offers 3 straight losses, something that hasn't happened since circa 2001.

    I demand consistency and competitivness, it's what the fans of a team want, Team USAs actions brought to you by the USSF was purely idiotic and disrespectful, I'd rather praise Mexico's accomplishments than acknowledging apathy.

    Beating one team over and over is one thing, being able to beat other teams outside of your confederation is another.
     
  5. PARS

    PARS Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 3, 2007
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    I find it entertaining for people whose first team does not seem to be the US, how these same people argue so passionately about the US-Mexico point. Probably very hard to argue with their first team, that is another point.

    We are not only talking about history, the historical numbers were thrown out there to quench the comments (e.g. Mexico has not beaten the US). True the US has won more matches recently (against Mexico), but by the same token Mexico has won more against Brazil, yet I don't believe Mexico is better than Brazil. The US plays Mexico like their life depended on it, the pressure to beat their neighbors is immense, Mexico until recent years has looked upon the US condescendingly, and that has proven to be a mistake, we paid. US soccer has made a lot of progress in the last 15 years, and this has recently proven good for Mexico and CONCACAF as a whole.

    But two teams can't be compared just by how they do between themselves (especially with data where ~80% of the games are played in the US -- in the last ~20 matches). But how do you do against all other teams as well.

    Let me ask you this, if Mexico played the US 20 times, 10 in Mexico, 10 in the US, do you honestly think the US would win more than 10? Or better yet if Mexico and the US played a home and away round-robin against 4 other good teams, do you honestly think that the US would be ahead, so please stop hinging this on the WC2002 game or the GC final, look at the 2006 WC performance (please don't look at 1998 where even Iran beat them) or if you want more recent info, look at the Copa America rankings, that game yesterday was to see who the last place was going to be.

    No point arguing this, just watch some games and see who plays better football.

    peace

    /p
     
  6. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    copa america comments only
    the rest will go out!

    MODS note
     
  7. rey arturo

    rey arturo New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    US fan: Everyone knows the US is better. Just look at the head to head record over the last ten years. Look at our super dooper performance at the WC 2002. And we won the Gold Cup this year.

    Mexican fan: No way are you guys better than us. We have a true football culture, history and fan-base. In the overall record, we are still ahead of you. On the international stage, Mexico does consistently better than the US. Further, if we use your own logic, Mexico should claim to be better than Brazil due to their head to head record lately. And that WC 2002 performance was a fluke.

    US fan: We have more players in Europe, so we are better.

    Mexican fan: The players you have in Europe play in mediocre teams, even many Mexican players that stay in Mexico play in better teams than your so-called “Euros”.

    US fan: 2-0

    Mexican fan: Okeedokee. Donovan is gay.

    US fan: Rafa Marquez is a dirty piece of sh*t.

    Mexican fan: US players are ugly, and so are their fans.

    US fan: You guys mow our lawns.

    Mexican fan: I wanna rent Donovan’s forehead for an FMF ad.

    US fan: 2-0

    Mexican fan: US players are all p*ssies.

    US fan: Oswaldo Sanchez is a dirty piece of sh*t.

    Mexican fan: Pinche Spazzo hijo de la ch*ngada.

    Uclacarlos: ign'ant Mexican’ts. Have I mentioned that I have a college degree? so there’s no way I’m wrong. I think you're all a bunch of -get this-Neanderthals. 2-0.

    HugoSanchez: That idiot Uclacarlos.

    US fan: Everyone knows the US is better. Just look at the head to head record over the last ten years. Look at our super dooper performance at the WC 2002. And we won the Gold Cup this year…..

    ...................................................................................
     
  8. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    ^ what about a neutral fan?

    I think Mexico is slightly better :cool:
     
  9. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Neutral fan: Who cares??? :rolleyes:


    But to make this a Copa America post - It's sad to see Ecuador going home while Venezuela, Peru, Paraguay and Uruguay are still in it!!
     
  10. italchacao

    italchacao New Member

    Mar 18, 2002
    Austin TX
    sad nothing, either you win or you don't
     
  11. El_tri321mex

    El_tri321mex Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    berkeley
    Why is it sad ? Ecuador just wasn't prepared . Paraguay was and obviously Venezuela was too.
     
  12. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Exactly. Poor little Ecuador :rolleyes:

    Their record in Copa America has always been pretty bad.
     
  13. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Prepared? Prepared for what?? :rolleyes: It's got nothing to do with being prepared. It's got to do with quality of football. Neither Paraguay nor Venezuela play better football today than Ecuador does...but that's just how shit rolls sometimes. No complaintes! In the end, italchacao got it right, you win or you lose. Ecuador, despite playing entertaining footy, lost all three matches, so they are going home. Sad to me, because I would have wanted to see more of them.
     
  14. El_tri321mex

    El_tri321mex Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    berkeley
    Well , Is it a coincidence then that Ecuador always plays ugly in Copa America ?
    Ecuador playing better futbol than Paraguay...I don't think so. Ecuador had a great WC and qualifiers but now they just aren't having a great time since then and you know it .
     
  15. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, you apparently haven't watched the same games the rest of the world has so I don't know what posesss me to make an arguement. As far as playing "ugly"? I don't know of anyone that could say they play ugly but you. I woulnd't compare the last Copa America with this one. They did play horrible and did deserve to lose...

    But this time around, I think despite the scores which would be misleading to someone who hasn't watched the games, they played three great games with tough opponents that knew how to win the game by capitalizing on the defensive errors by Ecuador's goal-keeper Mora (shouln't have been there) and Ivan Hurtado...and so, they are going home.
     
  16. parismatch

    parismatch Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Mexico City
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Interesting to see the trend that this thread followed after this comment by a BS moderator... The rest was also about CA, why the threat?
     
  17. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    congrats to eltri321.....right on the money!
    last month prediction, did any one else got a perfect sheet like that?
     
  18. Peñarol1891

    Peñarol1891 New Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Bar Michigan
    Eso ha sido Ecuador durante toda la vida, fijate en la edición anterior, y en la otra, y en todas las que quieras. SIEMPRE TERMINA ULTIMO!
    Antes de empezar la copa borraron mis posts de pronosticos en el grupo B porque supuestamente "podian ofender a alguien" y todo lo que habia puesto era que Ecuador terminaba último.
    Si bien es cierto que han mejorado un poco, sin altura no existen!
     
  19. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    that was not perfect :rolleyes: Uruguay did not go first in Group A.

    Nonetheless, great predictions by el_tri321.
     
  20. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Great showing in the second round by Paraguay (0-6), Venezuela (4-1) and Chile (1-6). I am glad they prepared for this! :rolleyes:
     
  21. italchacao

    italchacao New Member

    Mar 18, 2002
    Austin TX
    they prepared better than ecuador, that much I know
     
  22. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, you certainly don't know much, now, do you?? :rolleyes:
    BTW, Peru had a lovely showing too! (4-0)...
     
  23. italchacao

    italchacao New Member

    Mar 18, 2002
    Austin TX
    ecuador played a total of three games and lost all of them
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    [​IMG]
    They also played against Brazil and Mexico losing by only a single goal (though Brazil's penalty was a joke)...both teams that just got done schooling Chile and Paraguay finding the back of the net 6 times. My whole point; it is too bad they had to go home early because the quarter finals would have been more entertaining from an evened match sense than the ones we saw with piss poor performances from the others. \

    And though Ecuador might have lost this round, I doubt it would have been by 6 goals. So yeah, they played and lost three matches, but they played well...which I'm not sure what it is you find so hard to understand.

    Besides Brazil, Argentina and Mexico...the rest of Latin America looks mediocre as hell!!
     
  25. elluisillo

    elluisillo Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    Tijuana,Mexico
    i really like your team and i think they deserved to be on qf instead of chile,but i think you need to replace some guys like your gk...i mean that guy sucks and ivan hurtado great player but he is not nt material anymore,and some other guys
     

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