Oh boy! You have to read this Article ....

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Numquam Moribimur, Jul 4, 2007.

  1. Numquam Moribimur

    May 30, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  2. ddw31089

    ddw31089 New Member

    Jun 14, 2004
    Gothenburg, Sweden
  3. BusbyBabes

    BusbyBabes New Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Up North
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    Thats typical as they are always up their L'Arse:eek: They have won nothing for two years and they still think Wenger is a genius.
     
  4. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    He also forgot to mention that our captain left to go to a bigger club because he felt he couldn't win anything with us.
    Oh wait. That was them. :D
     
  5. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    What the ******** were you doing in the first place at onlinegooner.com

    As for deluded Gooners, I know lots of them so there is no surprise there. We use delusions so much with Spuds and the Scum that most people tend to ignore the Gooners as the most deluded.
     
  6. Charleysurf

    Charleysurf Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Hmm, the guy is not some young kid considering the names he came out with:

    He must be in his 30s to remember Les Sealey. Makes the whole rant even more pathetic. The fool grew up watching Arsenal bore the pants off the whole world, but now thinks Arsenal have always played nice attacking football.

    Of those names he listed there are a few clunkers but there is also:
    Giuseppe Rossi: who, unlike Arturo Lupoli, has a great future in the game.
    Phil Neville: captain of Everton
    Tim Howard: gk for Everton, best goalkeeper for the US
    Michael Carrick: played a great part in United winning the league
    Les Sealey: helped United win the FA CUp and the ECW Cup.

    Andy Goram only played a once-of game in ********ing friendly/testimonial!

    A list of Wenger failures would be far funnier.
     
  7. Charleysurf

    Charleysurf Member

    Jul 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    SOme United fans destroying the article on the gooner website:

    http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1304

    :lol:
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The basic thrust of the article in respect of relative financial resources is actually accurate.
     
  9. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    On top of it, he is using players like Spector whom we made a profit on.

    And as for some of the Wenger gems(copied from a recent article on F365):-
    ALBERTO MENDEZ-RODRIGUEZ
    A German born of Spanish parents, he was bought for £250,000 from FC Feucht - and he was exactly that when Arsene Wenger watched him in action (playing against the mighty ESC Rangierbahnhof Nurnberg) for the only time before taking him to Highbury. Mendez was, by his own admission, rather the worse for wear after a series of 'unofficial promotion parties' (promotion to the German Fourth Division, that is) and never quite understood why Wenger bought him.

    He was presumably as confused five years later when he was released having started one Premiership game. Arsene knows, you know.


    KABA DIAWARA
    The truly remarkable thing about Diawara is that Arsenal made a profit when they sold him on to Marseille just five months after buying him from Bordeaux in January 1999. But he deserves to be in this list because the all-knowing Arsene Wenger at one point thought he was worth £2.5m. His goal return? Zero goals in 15 appearances. He has since been back in England on loan at Blackburn (well done, Graeme Souness) and West Ham and failed to add to his non-existent tally of goals. Last seen at Turkish side Gaziantepspor if anyone is in the slightest bit interested. He made Christopher Wreh look good.



    FRANCIS JEFFERS
    Arsene Wenger paid £8m for Francis Jeffers. That fact deserves repetition: Arsene Wenger paid £8m for Francis Jeffers. We all know the theory - he was the 'fox in the box' that Arsenal needed and Wenger broke his usual spending habits by paying big for young English 'talent'. Three years later he sold him to Charlton for £2.6m and the general feeling was that the Gunners had done well out of the deal. Is anyone can explain why Mark Hughes gave him a Premiership contract last year, write to the usual address. Has a 'one in one' ratio for England, but has scored a grand total of 40 club goals in a nine-year career.



    GIOVANNI VAN BRONCKHORST
    Barring the capture of Sol Campbell for bugger all, the summer of 2001 was not a great one for Arsene Wenger - Jeffers for £8m, Richard Wright for £6m and Giovanni van Bronckhorst for £8.5m. Yes, he really did cost that much. A decent player at best, Van Bronckhorst, like so many other decent players, had looked very good playing for Rangers. In a truly terrible summer's business, Wenger brought in the Dutchman in an effort to replace Emmanuel Petit. He didn't. A cruciate ligament injury didn't help, but at best he became a steady back-up to Ashley Cole before leaving for Barcelona for pennies. Not quite worth £8.5m, then.



    TOMAS DANILEVICIUS
    In December 2000 the Lithuanian striker turned up at Highbury with a Greek passport and the panicked Arsenal officials (remember Edu?) were very relieved when he was given the all-clear by the immigration folk and promptly paid £1m to Swiss side Lausanne for his services, having been impressed by his goal against Barcelona in a pre-season friendly during a successful trial. A few months later they probably hoped his passport had been a fake when they sent him on loan to Dunfermline having been unimpressed with his 46 minutes in an Arsenal shirt. Few tears were shed when he left for Beveren that summer. Spent last season in Serie B with Bologna.

    Honourable mentions: David Grondin, Stefan Malz, Christopher Wreh, Nelson Vivas, Pascal Cygan, Davor Suker, Igors Stepanovs and Alexander Hleb.
     
  10. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Oh no, it isn't.

    I don't know whether you are aware of this but our transfer spend since the start of the Premiership is little more than £220mil.

    On the other hand, our wage bill was close to £85mil last season. Wages are a more important component of the total money being spent and Arsenal are very comparable to us in this regard.
     
  11. BusbyBabes

    BusbyBabes New Member

    Jun 30, 2007
    Up North
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  12. littleman

    littleman Member

    Oct 18, 2005
    Pretty bad shit. Especially by this one Arsenal poster:

    Well ******** me, how does dismissiveness invalidate an argument?! Man, the amoung of illogical spiel being spewed out across the internet...
     
  13. holytoledo

    holytoledo New Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Got a laugh out of it. F***ing gooners.
     
  14. israbeckham

    israbeckham Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    California
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    Make that 2! Viera also left

    this guy is making valid points, its not like he is lying, but he is just being as biest as u can get and not even begining to mention what we have acheived, or this years sucess. I mean seriously, he talks about the treble like it was some kind of fluke just because of the amazing end of the champs league game...
     
  15. The Guv'nor

    The Guv'nor Member

    Mar 24, 2006
    I'm disappointed this utterly shite article is actually being discussed here.

    Laugh at it, yes. But to debate?:eek: :confused:
     
  16. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Actually, no it isn't. United spent the most probably in 2 transfer windows out of our trophy winning glut in the 90's. Rovers, Everton, Liverpool and Leeds were bigger spenders.
     
  17. holytoledo

    holytoledo New Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Actually, iirc, this current summer not withstanding, we never spent more then our rivals in any Premiership season.

    That's just off the top of my head though, thought I had read it somewhere.
     
  18. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    We did spend more than anyone before the treble season and then again in 2001 I think, when we got Ruud and Veron among others.
     
  19. holytoledo

    holytoledo New Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Hmm, I'm sure you're right. Maybe what I saw was the total amount of money after subtracting for player sold? :confused:
     
  20. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    Minor point, given the fact that we won 9 league titles over 15 years and were outspent 90% of the time during that stretch ;)
     
  21. holytoledo

    holytoledo New Member

    Jan 13, 2005
    Word. :D
     
  22. Numquam Moribimur

    May 30, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Errr stolen off RI but the guy did put alot of time into this, so there should be no reason to think why it's not accurate :cool:

    Code:
     		MUFC		LFC		CFC		AFC
    	In 	Out	In	Out	In	Out	In	Out
    92/93	6.0	1.9	5.4	2.3	4.8	4.7	4.1	2.0
    93/94	1.5	0.5	1.9	0.8	6.2	1.7	2.1	1.9
    94/95	6.0	12.1	17.1	1.5	2.8	2.1	18.6	3.6
    95/96	8.2	5.9	0.0	1.5	9.7	3.5	0.5	1.7
    96/97	3.5	4.5	14.0	9.6	10.8	4.3	21.7	10.1
    97/98	15.8	6.4	5.0	1.7	14.9	5.0	1.0	1.0
    98/99	17.0	1.8	12.1	4.8	3.3	2.0	13.8	4.9
    99/00	17.8	1.7	36.3	9.7	45.1	8.0	23.0	29.0
    00/01	0.0	8.0	18.5	12.5	26.7	29.3	37.0	31.7
    01/02	57.6	2.8	29.9	18.7	15.0	6.6	15.2	4.2
    02/03	31.5	2.0	8.7	5.7	0.5	1.0	6.6	5.4
    03/04	53.1	41.0	22.5	6.0	153.5	7.1	18.8	0.1
    04/05	22.0	8.5	25.6	16.5	56.8	12.7	6.0	2.6
    05/06	17.5	7.2	36.9	9.5	111.4	20.8	25.5	15.7
    06/07	16.0	27.2	18.3	7.5	22.0	15.8	4.5	33.6
    								
    	273.5	131.5	252.2	108.3	483.5	124.6	198.4	147.5
    
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    So in other words Utd has outspent arsenal by a factor of 3 to 1
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    That rather tired argument again.

    NMs own figures clearly show that the only club to have matched Utds net spend through the premiership era are liverpool.

    The Chavs have outspent you in recent years and surprise surprise they won 2 titles.

    What all this shows is that the title follows the money.
     
  25. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    yes and no.

    I am repeating again for you -- Wages are a more important component of the total money being spent and Arsenal are very comparable to us in this regard with both teams spending close to £85mil last season. As it is, the total money spent on wages would be atleast 3-4 times higher than that spent on transfers.
     

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