How many Brasil games have you watched? Just this one? Just watch a few more games to see what I'm talking about. Trust me... Robinho will let you down.
why is everyone hating on Robinho? he is clearly not our problem. Its kind of hard to take the right option or execute the finishing touch when no one else on the team is trying.
I love the doom and gloom - at least it gives me something to laugh at when I get home and read bigsoccer. If you want Dunga out, please suggest a realistic replacement. He lacks experience, but kicking him out after one tournament won't help him get any. Sure, he should already have some before coaching the national team, but he's here now and doing ok. His subs today were good btw, and Brazil dominated the second half (up to the 30min mark). While some of that is a result of Mexico being ahead, give him credit for his half-time moves. Alex was better than most people here seem to remember - he covered very effectively, even on the weird slow breakaway in the late second half where he never seemed to attack the Mexican player. Keep in mind that if he plays that more aggressively the guy just passes to his open teammate. It was 2x1 for them and they didn't score. Beautiful goals by Mexico. That said, our defense was awful on the first. Both Juan and Alex fell asleep. Maicon did the right thing, but the forward made a beautiful play. Doni should've positioned himself better on the free-kick - but that might not have been enough. Anderson was great. Robinho was great (in the second half). Gilberto Silva stank it up today - surprisingly. Start Anderson and Afonso next game I think. Keep the rest the same, maybe start Helton (is Dunga planning on using both or was Helton injured today?) Anyways, I understand all the doom and gloom at this moment, but it's really funny, and frankly, ignorant. Wanna criticize, please back your shit up. There was plenty of stuff to criticize today that you don't have to resort to "omg Huguinho, Zézinho and Luisinho suck, if Pato Donald is still our coach for the qualifiers, we won't make it". Please, you all can do better than that (well, most of you anyways).
Things we clearly needed: more movement and better passing in the first half. Afonso Alves or Fred instead of Love, and Anderson instead of Diego if he isn't going to cut it, should be enough to start fixing that. But the rest of the team needs to shake off all of those awful plays and focus on the overwhelmingly good stuff they put together for a short time.
dude, he ran around maicon let me tell you something about maicon he's from a town next to mine, he went to Inter SEVERAL times for tryouts and EVERY SINGLE TIME they told him to get lost don't be so happy because you beat a dunga's team with one of the worse defenses ever
I only watched the second half and I couldn't believe that Mexico was up 2 to 0. Brazil had a few chances, but they just weren't lucky. Brazil will bounce back and they should win the next 2 games. Robinho e craque mas o resto do time time decepcionou.
First and foremost Mexico played a good game congrats on the victory. So where do i start...i speak for myself and IMO i am not a fan of the 4-5-1, i dont think we have a quality striker that can be attacking by himself, especially Vagner Love. Must have a 4-4-2. Im a disapointed in Diego, although having a great season at Werder Bremen, this is his time to show he can step up and be the leader, and today he did not. Robinho showed he could make plays he just has to be consistent doing so, i also want to see him up top strikiking and maybe Anderson and Diego play together in the midfield. We would need Gilberto Silva and Minero to step up. I think Anderson came in and did a good job to find the open man. Dani Alves and Naldo need to start. Get Doni out. 1st half was horrible, 2nd half was looking better, and i credit the mexican golie for holding the victory. Today was upsetting, but i hope we can get back on track and show that we are the best in the world, because i do not know how much longer i can take these disappointments.
. ohh so know instead of starting with small teams like Felipao, Luxemburgo and etc did.. We let a total inexperienced guy have some OTJL with something so important as the selecao. He's there to get experience?? That is what Zico has been doing all this time on clubs all over the place. Why dunga can't do the same. Doing ok?? Dude this is Brasil, anybody can do ok, forget that, I could do ok, even with my crazy ideas I'm bount to have at least 70% wins if I was given the Brasil NT today. We can't live with "ok" , we need great. This is Brasil we are talkign about. He's moving like a madman, all over the place, after all his experimenting all kinds of stuff, that's why he's there in teh first place right? His subs were stupid, Elano and Diego for "Afonso and anderson" ohh yeah. very good. Are you talking about todays game? That dude is lame, I was under the impression he was doing better. ohh so we should keep that very limited peruzeiro? great??? great??? what comes after great?? what is great about what he did? Goals, assists, assists that resulted on goals??? ahahaha Anderson is a firuleiro de marca maior, corre corre and goes nowhere. great?? talk about low standarts wait a minute, so if Anderson was great how could Robinho be great also? arrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe this, maybe that.. experiment some more who cares about the shame!!
Dunga had one year to build this team, there are no excuses for performances like this. It is easy to see when the coach is at fault when you look at the field and all you can see are 11 players running around. There was no tactic or game plan, he put 11 players on the field and hoped some individual brilliance could solve the game. While that might have worked in some older teams stacked with craques, this team doesn't have any one player that would fall under that definition. The defense was completly desorganized, Alex and Juan looked like strangers. Im starting to see why alex has been at Psv for such a long time. And doni ?? no coments. No creativity at all in the midfield, Elano was no where to be seen, Diego only played in the first few minutes and then dissapeared as well. Anderson runs alot but nothing else, And why does Love have so much credit with DUnga ? What has he done? He is a reserve in his club, how does that make him selecao material? Fred has to start either with robinho up front or Afonso and robinho down the middle in a false 4-3-3. To think all of this was against Mexico's reserve team, imagine if we had played Argentina with Riquelme instead ??5, 6-0 ?? I can't even imagine it. The only thing that can save Dunga now is the title. I hope he also thinks like that and steps it up for sunday, or else just pack up and go home. We don't need another embarassment in 2010.
Damn last time I checked I thought we were MEN and not mice with all this "no trolling" and "no flaming"crap(remember this is BigSoccer.com and not BigBabies.com!!) this is a soccer and not a knitting forum!! Of course people are gonna get heated talk shit and critise when things dont look right!! Guys Lighten Up!! Now got that out of the way...... Yes I did belive the Mexican grinch would steal Xmas(with our Xmas tree formation) and it did......but it's not the end of the world!! We still can make it out as a wild card team!! Now our team did look flat, we were too lightweight up front...there's was no power striker that could hammer the ball towards the goal(Baptista in the lineup??) Mexico was the better team came to win and they did!! And Ochoa is a much better keeper than Sanchez in fact if Ochoa hadda been in goal this past Sunday Mexico would've won the Gold Cup, but that aside.... This was the slap in the face we needed and hopefully Dunga will make the changes needed to beat Chile Sunday, who was in fact the last team who gave us a humiliating loss(3-0, 8/15/00)and they're pumped after coming from behind v Altitude Jr!! We've had an excellent record after that v Chile and I'm confident we shall keep it up on Sunday!!
Not too surprised by the result. For whatever reason, Mexico's managed to get the better of Brasil. They've been more focused in those matches and do a better job of finishing their chances - which you need to do to win. having said that, with the first goal dis-allowed, that really impacted the flow of the match for Brasil and the first Mexican goal took them out. This has been a problem with Dunga's matches. His teams get socred on, and only then do they wake up. But my biggest gripe with Dunga is that when you look at how incredibly flat and un-organized Brasil were all over the field, you're left wondering..."What the hell has he been doing for hte past year?" And I'm still absolutely perplexed at why he starts a mediocre at best talent in Vagner Love. He's inept, not that mobile, and I haven't seen too many strokes of genius from him... he shouldn't be on this team, and he certainly shouldn't have gotten as many chances as he has with the Selecao. There are some players in Brasil that are beter than him along with *gasp* Ronaldo. But Dunga's so bloody stubborn about it... it's as if he continues selecting him because everyone else says (and sees) that Love's useless. If Dunga continues to be this stubborn and insist on repeating the mistakes he should've learned from recent friendlies, he won't last much longer. The defense was un-organized, and things did get better in the second half. Unfortunately, Mexico were just prepared (and a bit lucky) with stopping the shots. Robinho's shot was probably the best idea given the angle, but well saved. The goal-line clearance... what can you say? Right place, right time. It just wasn't meant to be and Mexico deserved to win because they took advantage of lax defending and a dreadful keeper blunder (IMO)... what Dani was thinking on that free-kick is beyond me. It looked like he didn't know how to organize his wall, and he was totally confused about the hit ball. But on the positives, Robinho looked pretty good, and Anderson's definitely going to be a fantastic player for the future. I think he went to Manchester a bit too soon though. That's really about it though. it was one of the poorest Brasil matches I've ever seen. Brings me back to the Leao days and there wasn't any energy or spark, and the team looked very un-prepared. They made stupid crosses into the box, the defense didn' thave any urgency or strategy in clearing the ball (they were rubbish at it), and Diego played as though he were finally given the keys... but to a space shuttle, not an automobile. He had no idea what to do, where to go, or who to play to.
What a dreadful game to watch! In the first half Brasil looked like a no-talent long ball team. Seriously, since when has Brasil's attack consisted solely of the zagueros lofting long passes up to the strikers? Ridiculous. Mexico sat back for large stretches of the game, but Brasil is the type of team that can shred a bunker with good movement and passing. Lack of movement is something that plagued the seleção at the World Cup and apparently it hasn't been fixed...
The funniest thing on this board is that irrational hatred of this Colarado Gaucho guy against Anderson. The best part being everyone(and so shall I after this post) ignores his rants and keep saying that he played well and is one for the future and given the team you have sent to the Copa, he should start the next match.
Colorado ... all you do is rant your pre-conceived notions of players. When you say a player sucked yesterday, you never back it up with solid information from the game. Need I say that you thought Alex was the one that got the chapeu and not Maicon. You were probably watching a tape of Inter x Barcelona instead of watching the game.
What I liked about Robinho is that he decided to take matters in his own hands yesterday and actually created some chances. Because the team had no tactical stance. However, he holds on to the ball way too much. Whenever you have someone playing like him, other players will get frustrated because you can never expect when and how he is going to pass the ball. Most of the time you end up being umprepared for his passes.
I agree with you. I think Anderson will be a great player, and we will need a new manager soon - forget about Dunga...
Dunga is the only one in the world that thinks Vagner Love is better than all of our strikers, just look at him, giving V. Love a starting spot and giving him the 9 shirt, its a disgrace watching V. Love
All I know is that if Dunga makes it thru with Brazil he wont forget that Ronaldinho and Kaka chose 'vacation' before country.
Not making an excuse for anyone, but Mexico is a lot better than some of you think. I actually think they are the second best team in the group. I'll rewatch the game later today, but I have to say that some people here need to get a grip. The tournement is not over. Even if, at least it would give us a chance to see Dunga in a tough situation, and if he could get himself out of it. What are the chacnes of Dunga getting fired after the tournement? While I think Dunga was a bad choice, him being fired would only make it harder to look for a good manager.
Hi guys, please forgive me for off- topic- I have a question about bech soccer. Years back, beach soccer was played with 11 players each side, in a big field in the beach just like regular soccer. There were great teams in Rio (Radar, etc) When and why did they make beach soccer a 6 man game, small field??