1-1. I'm happy enough with the tie, considering the chemistry among the players must of been alittle shaky. Anybody see the game? Can someone state how the newbies played, as well as how some of the super elder players played? How was Moreno? Share details!
I saw the match. Bolivia had most of the ball and frankly, they should have won easily, they missed more chances than Ireland (I think sometimes Bolivians abused the long shots). Both teams made some pretty stupid defensive mistakes though so it could have gone either way.
O yea. Jaime was the reason why we scored, They couldnt handle us! It should have been 3-1 easily. Nacho didnt show his brilliance much. Only guy that was holding us down in the back was pena! Man he deserved to captain the team as he did. WHile the other veteran, Jaime ran the forwards. If platini didnt take him out for the second half we would have won. Although he doesnt show much of his brilliance with DC, it is because MLS knows what he does. He was juking the hell outta those irish. They were very intimidated with our style of play. Constantly clearing it out. All they had on us was height and their head game. They knew that tahts why they constantly were playing the flanks rather than down the middle due to our disadvantage. Pinedo showed promise as he was subbed in rather late, but showed he had the heart as he was playing balls to the wall. And there was also another midfielder who was doing alot of step overs and playing great! But i didnt catch his name, he was gelling real well with jaime. Joselito vaca also had a decent game but his lack of defense almost cost us a goal but we had a decent game and got robbed. Anyone else care to comment?
Ok guys, reason why i didnt know if that was arce or not was the guy who did the starting lineups. He botched it completely. DIdnt even announce Arce on there. But here is a video some corninthians fan made for arce showing all his touches from that game. ENJOY! And it shows the post too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7HxAtpqAf8
Okay I tivo the game so I had a chance to watch it at least three times and this is my observation. P.S. it will be on setana sports on tuesday at 4pm. for those with direct tv this was the line up -----------suarez hoyos---pena---mendez----alvarez ------------reyes------------- mojica--------------garcia----- -----------vaca-------------- moreno--------------arce subs: moreno 4 cabrera, arce 4 pinedo, vaca 4 galindo, garcia 4 lima Suarez: 8 I gave him an eight out ten he stoped three for sure goals that the irsh had in the bag. The best save he had was when limbert mendez accidently chiped the ball over suarez head trying to kick the ball out of play. Suarez was able to rush back to the goal and literly swaped the ball out of the goal over a tall irish forward. However the goal was totaly his fault I mean he had the ball on his hands I don't know what he was doing however it looked like he was trying to catch butterflies. It was horrible especially from such an experianced goaly. Hoyos: 9 He not only scorred the goal he was also the best the team had to show. He ran up the right side juked out the irish defenders and showed speed and ganas that we need. He reminded me of a young crystaldo. He would be attacking on the flank and would also drop down and cover his men. He was the best player on the field without a doubt. Tireless is the word for this guy. I would not be suprised if he was on his way to europe. Pena: 7 He maintained his captin status he was tall and challenged the young irish attackers. You could hear him scream through the tv. No, really i think they had a microphone around him. You would hear him yell at his defense to get out of the back he yelled and challenged his players to move attack. I started laughing when he addressed everyone by thier last name. However It was hard not to notice his age, What I mean for example on the Irish goal as he ran behind Mendez who was challenging the irish defender you could literly see the diffrence in speeds between him and mendez and the irsh attacker. Hopefully it was the long flight from Spain or else we could be in trouble. Menedez: 7 He sliped on the irsh goal as he challenged for the ball. Then he almost had an own goal as he chiped the ball over the suarez trying to get rid of the ball. Other then that he was tough fast and to the point. He was physcial and you can see that he was trying to impress sanchez. He is our future at this spot. Very tough Alvarez: 8 Awsome touches throughout the game you can see that his time in paraguay has made him more techincal and his vision was great. He had many threw balls that ended up in good situiations for arce. Alaverz did waste alot of good shooting opportunites, his shots were way of target but that did help set the pace of the game as the irish started trying to close down the outside shots, which opend up plenty of spaces behind the mid-field for Vaca. He helped in the middle and always droped down to help pena and mendez. Garcia: 8 He set the pace for the game the irish came out fast and furious garcia brought them down a notch. He imposed bolivian soccer, many touches on the ground, control of the ball, and most of all they used the wings of the field. His only fault was his physcial state. after 35 mins you could see him wear down and towards the end of the first half he wasn't as effective. Hopefully with more training time with the nats he will be in better shape. Reyes: 5 Horrible, the worst bolivia had to offer, he was slow and unsure of himself. The goal was his fault, he had the ball of a pass from gracia he turned trying to pass back his pass was weak and the irish forward picked it up and sped past mendez. He had no place on the team, his function was as a recovery midfielder. He didn't recover anything, he almost gave up another goal in the same circumstances. His pases were of a high school quality at most. Should not be called back Mojica: 8 He played the entire game showed good vision good passes a little of sync with the rest of the team. Recovered alot that reyes failed too. He started the play that ended in the bolivian goal. He was the glue the ball traveled thru between the defense and the forwards. He also had a few shots, not so good shots. But, stable very consistant. Vaca: 8 Suprise suprise, last time i saw him play was the lucky goal on south africa. He was very good this game he moved behind the irish midlfield created many dangerous situations for bolivia. He played at a very good speed good ball control set the tempo for moreno and arce. At times looked unstoppable. He was quick and deadly with the ball. The only thing that killed his game was his inability to finsh of the play he had at least three goal situations and didn't shoot he passed it off to hoyos and arce. When will we bolivians not try to walk the ball into the goal, when? Moreno: 8 Moreno also suprised me he was quick on the right side had the first dangerous play for bolivia. What I liked the most was that evey ball he got he didn't try to finish off. He held the ball and waited for the the rest of the team to position themselves for a better team attack. He did at times looked like the moreno of old. However towards the end of the first half he looke like old moreno, sorry. Arce: 7 I don't know he seemed capable of doing more. He attacked the irish defenders with the ball wasn't scared of losing but gave up and started passing the ball. He did however have a very good play where he showed off his speed on a fast break and as the irish defender tackled him he stoped on a dime very impressive. He reminde me of ramallo at times. You could see his frustation on his face when he would mess up. He is the real thing without a doubt he will be our future as long as he is injury free. He has all the tools, he just needs to let lose. Galindo: 5 Why do we inisist with this guy he is usless instead of him i would of put in the young jhasmin campos. We know galindo is good at league level but at international level he chokes. He did nothing special I really didn't notice him. He doesn't need to be on the team and if he is, he should be on the bench. Lima: 7 Good consistant, he did reyes job as a recovery midlfielder even though he was suppose to play instead of garcia. But thank god he did reyes job god know how many goals he saved by taking on that task. He had a couple of good knocks and showed good header ability. Bolivia had a string of corners on one of those he stuck his head out hit the ball that hit an irish defender and almost went in, cabrera wasn't able to touch it in. Cabrera: 5 He went in and our offense just died he was totaly lost in the sauce he missed the winning goal of a Lima header that rebounde off an irish defender the ball was on the goal line and he somehow missed it. I hope he wasn't planning on going to venezuela Pinedo: 6 I understand why Sanchez called moreno, Pinedo is not what i thought we need an experiance forward to be an intermeidate forward while pinedo gets on track. He looked lost he ran like a wild man. He had no effect, between him and Cabrera they killed the Bolivian offense good thing it was towards the end of the game. I do think Pinedo has more hope then Cabrera at least Pinedo showed ganas and attacked irish defenders even though he had no real method. Overall I think bolivia did great. Considering the team they played filled with young Irish players who play in great European teams. Bolivia got back to the roots they played the ball on the ground they were quick and played with short accumilating passes that wore down the irish defenders down. We still lack a little on defense we need someone to play in the middle I hate to this but we must face it pena is not going to be here forever don't get me wrong He is still our man for Copa america. However we need some speed in the back Mendez is a start. The middle is good we need some consistant play from vaca. Garcia and mojica got the tempo and pace We need a better recovery midlefielder so that our defense doesn't strain so quick. At front we look promising Arce is our future. Pinedo is a work in process but he needs more work. We should look a little more to see if maybe there is someone else we can get to be next to arce. I know moreno is good for now but just like pena they are not a perment fixes, just a bandaid for copa america we must look at the big picture we must look at 2010.
Well brothers...I am now back from Boston. I can tell you that this is by far the best I have seen the boys play in a long time. No the typical Bolivian inferiority complex here, as they all played like they were used to matching up against tall europeans. Aside from those players you'd expect to see do well (Moreno, Arce, Peña, Alvarez, etc.), Hoyos and Lima did great. Pinedo needs more time and Reyes and Galindo need to go. I stopped by their hotel the night before the game and talked with a few of the players. They are confident and almost bordering on Arrogant (or is it Argentinian?). Good for them. We should have won by four goals easily.
So Marco after all that $$$ u dropped to fly in from Bolivia, was it worth it? Hope u, ur brother & son had a blast. Wish I could have made it. Tell me, did Moreno really play well like some people say, I couldn't imagine the idea of him being one of our forwards for qualifying. It's a little worrisome that we couldn't score more than 1 goal against what ultimately was a C team from Ireland. Hell, it might not even matter as I wouldn't be opposed or surprised if FBF boycotts Copa America due to that absurd proposed FIFA altitude rule.
Moreno did play really well. Remember that except for the Italians and Spaniards, europeans have a tough time containing a player that can hold the ball, hide it and distribute it with good field vision.Moreno was in his "zone". Plus, he actually played behind Arce and in front of Vaca. Speaking of Vaca, the kid was by far the best player in the game. I would not be surprised to see him go to another team soon. Had Platini kept the squad intact for the second half, we would have definitely won the match. Cabrera FAILED, not missed, failed two clear chances to score, Pinedo was man-handled in the small box, Sacha, Alvarez and Garcia got a couple of good long shots, and the Ireland keepers were on their best game. Not exactly an Ireland C squad. Seven first timers, but all playing in Europe. Plus, they tied against Ecuador, who brought many of its starters. Have faith...
1. Sorry, but it absolutely was a C team; maybe even a D team. 2. Where else would they play? Bolivia were better than Ecuador.
Because he wasn't playing very well here. I think the league was too physical for him. He got muscled off the ball easy.
What I meant was that they play in Europe, where their leagues are unfortunately better than Bolivia's Liga Professional. That should count for something. No need to get confrontational. Tough day at daycare, Samarkand?
Yea i agree, i think theyre mad they diddnt beat the snot out of us like many have thought. They look at our Fifa rank(posters on this board) and rule us out. Theyre just mad we controlled the game and wished they had brought their B or frankly their "A" team to crush us. I wish they did to give us more of a challange. Theyre goal was due to their height advantage frankly. All they did was constantly test us in the air though mostly.
Not at all, just wondering why it would need to be said that they play in Europe. I mean, that's where Ireland is, no?