Sam Allardyce has just resigned (Johann Smith news)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by DaPrince84, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Their have been rumors that Allardyce will be going to Man City once the takeover has been done... im watching the Arsenal match now, and it has been mentioned that Allardyce has stepped down as Bolton manager...

    what does this mean for Johann Smith?
     
  2. Vicar

    Vicar New Member

    Sep 21, 2005
    Manchester, Langley
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I do not think it means anything unless Sammy Lee leaves alongside Big Sam.
     
  3. Trevallion

    Trevallion Member

    May 3, 2006
    The Yakima Valley
    We'll have to wait and see who the new manager will be. Not much more we can do untill then.:(
     
  4. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    It might mean Jose Mourinio just got a little bit more pissed off, but I'm not sure how much it means for Johann.

    JS was pretty burried, so I don't see how it could hurt. Either he gets a fresh and makes a breakthough or they clear him out and he gets a permanent move to where he has a better chance to play. Both outcomes seem ok.
     
  5. Plan B

    Plan B New Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Chicago
    it means we get to chuckle at both leeds and bolton this weekend. ;)
     
  6. FCmagic01

    FCmagic01 Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    It means J. Smith becomes a starter next year for Bolton.....hopefully.
     
  7. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Wow.

    I didn't think a Man. City deal could be wrapped up so quickly, so this is a definent ?? Where's Big Sam going?

    As long as Johann goes on loan the Coca-Cola next year, he's on target.

    He's not good enough to make the big club and play minutes. And I'd hope he's judged to be too good to learn at League One by next season.
     
  8. Dynamo Kev

    Dynamo Kev Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    This move probably affects DMB more than J. Smith.. I would think Bease will have to look elsewhere for employment next year..

    on another note, PSV win the league on goal difference..
     
  9. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Allardyce may be more open then you think.

    He's known for finding players outside the sightlines of other clubs- reaching into distant leagues.

    He flew to Dortmund last year to apparently, seriously scout Cherundolo- and supposedly was interested in Dempsey too at one time.

    He prolly the best shot Beasley has for a(nother) manager to come in, and still assess him (as Pearce would have).

    Given Man City have holes everywhere, I also think buying a left-footed wing/mid may NOT be the first place they look (either). Big Sam won't be able to spend $5m pounds at every spot.

    We'll see...
     
  10. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    ManCity has decent talent. It has been ineptly lead for several years by Keegan and Pearce.

    Allardyce knows what he's doing and has developed a solid rep over the years. Hopefully, he'll have some money to spend, though a current bidder Ray Ranson doesn't appear to be all that liquid in terms of finances.
     
  11. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    For a while, the rumor was that big Phil Anschutz was interested.

    Wouldn't it be just like our guy to be doing this under the radar, and pick a great manager to boot?

    It doesn't calculate with me at all that Allardyce quit for this Ranson fellow- whose bid seems not 100% solid and underfunded. I'd think Allardyce would only quit if he had something 100% in the hand and knew it wouldn't fail.
    Which is what an big Phil Anschutz bid would be (whatever he wants, he'll get)

    Gues we will find out...
     
  12. Fire-Chop

    Fire-Chop New Member

    Jun 8, 2004
    I would think that Beasley would fit Big Sam's style well, which is all about defense, counter, win set plays and take advantage of them.

    DMB is one of the best at winning fouls on the counter, he could be very useful in that system.
     
  13. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Bolton for years has been the most physical team in the league.

    Beez?

    Not so physical.
     
  14. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Why was he interested in Stevie, the Enforcer, Cherundolo then?
     
  15. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Speed on the outside to serve balls into the "mixer" ... where the aforementioned muscle would be trying to head it in.

    That's been Bolton's MO pretty much up to the last year - defend in numbers, take the body, play safe, kick long and crash the goal on every set piece.

    It wasn't pretty - arguably the ugliest soccer played in the Prem - but it kept their heads above water until they could assemble a team that can play on the ground.

    Sam's methods probably served as a model for both Sheffield United and Watford this year. SheffU will probably stay up and Watford would have made it interesting, had it not been for King's injury.

    This style is known in the US as "Bora ball". It was deemed good enough to get the US out of a group stage once.
     
  17. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    Are you saying that Beasley doesn't provide spead on the outside?
     
  18. kjksccr

    kjksccr Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    San Carlos, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Sammy may be headed for Newcastle but I could be wrong.
     
  19. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    To Bolton?

    To ManCity?

    Speed, yes.

    A semblance of muscle, no.

    Sam, no midget himself, likes sturdier folks, as a rule.

    The question is whether DMB can supplement the bigger guys. 'Dolo could.
     
  20. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    It hard to imagine he resigned without having some firm handshake agreement SOMEWHERE.

    Where is the question. I guess we will find out soon enough. Newcastle does make the most sense (more than Man. City). Much bigger club (on paper, not reality) w/real resources.

    A challenged Man City bid seems a strange reason to leave.
     
  21. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    my belief also...
     
  22. kjksccr

    kjksccr Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    San Carlos, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    You say Bolton likes to use speed on the outside to serve balls into the bigger guys in the middle. You said Beasley is a bad fit. You said Cherundolo is a good fit.

    Cherundolo is 5'6" and while maybe not as skinny as Beasley, not too far off. And Bolton started Gardner, Thompson and Tall in the midfield last week and all three of these guys are under 155 pounds. Thompson shows as 10.1 stones which I think is 141 lbs.
     
  24. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    But 'Dolo is much stronger on the ball than Beasley and he plays the position (fullback) where one usually runs into an empty space rather than having to take a marker off the dribble.

    Now, Allardyce obviously is a very adaptable fellow but, when he was using Stelios on the right, the Greek was always with the ball at his feet. That was playing to his strength but the guy was no shrinking violet.

    Beasley, on the other hand, is smaller and weaker with the ball. When Pearce played him with Corradi and/or Samaras, DaMarcus could make runs into space but he rarely served a quality ball into the box and often back-passed.

    But he did do much better with Mpenza and Vassell in a 4-3-3, which was a spread formation and gave him a lot more gaps to run into from an advanced position. After using 5-3-2 for a while, the benefits of using 4-3-3 with the above forwards eventially were realized by Psycho Pearce.

    Another coach might have preference for a different scheme though.

    That may leave Beez outside looking in.
     

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