The Beer Throwing Incident

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by KC Salty, May 25, 2003.

  1. JPNutter9

    JPNutter9 Red Card

    May 11, 2003
    Lawrence, KS
    Don't get angry please...I think it was kind of funny that some dude threw a beer on old Cobi. So he go a little beer on him he will be fine. If that happened to a Wizard I wouldn't be happy but I don't think I'd be to angry.

    A kind of want rowdier crowd as long as it doesn't get out of control. The inaugural season fans use to throw smoke bombs out on the field after goals. It was cool and no one was hurt.
     
  2. wadejackson1

    wadejackson1 Member

    Mar 11, 2001
    It's late Sunday night. I just got home from K.C., and definitely wanted to see what folks had to say about this incident.

    I was standing in the last row of the Cauldron and clearly saw who tossed the beer from the middle of the section. He retained the cup as he threw the liquid beer. KC Salty or anyone else, if you want the name of the beer tossing guy, just email me privately. He is a regular contributor to this board and more, and you ALL know him, and you know many of his previous antics have crossed the line of respectability. He is a passionate supporter of the K.C. WIZards. But, his deliberate beer tossing actions cannot and should not be condoned. He crossed the line, and should be held accountable for HIS actions.

    "Silly" my ass!! Please don't insult us with that kind of juvenile mentality.

    There should be no need to "rat out" this individual. If he thinks his actions were manly enough to perform, then he should be manly enough to own up to his actions (on this board), submit some form of appology to the Front Office and take the consequences. He knows how I personally feel about many of his actions. There is no way the Cauldron nor the Mystics should ever take the heat for this type of rogue behavior. If you can't hold your alcohol, then cut back on the consumption and truly enjoy the game.

    Does anyone reading this thread really think this beer throwing incident had any redeeming positive results? (Smart assed pimps need not reply.)
     
  3. JPNutter9

    JPNutter9 Red Card

    May 11, 2003
    Lawrence, KS
    Who is the smart ass pimp?

    All I said that it wasn't that big a deal and that I thought it was funny.
     
  4. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Re: Re: The Beer Throwing Incident

    Like, dude, totally.




    you seem to have more of a 19th century sensibility than a 21st, not to be insulting to the 19th century.

    wow.. you're quite disgusting.
     
  5. JPNutter9

    JPNutter9 Red Card

    May 11, 2003
    Lawrence, KS
    Re: Re: Re: The Beer Throwing Incident

    Got to like this kid...
     
  6. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    God tossed a beer at Cobi??
     
  7. Blong

    Blong Member+

    Oct 29, 2002
    Midwest, the real one.
    Preki was on the field at the time.
     
  8. JMU Soccer!

    JMU Soccer! New Member

    Jul 19, 1999
    This description gives a fairly good idea of who did it.
     
  9. DouginSJ

    DouginSJ New Member

    Mar 15, 2000
    San Jose, CA USA
    Let me guess: was it Lucid?
     
  10. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where someone spat at someone else.


    It was just a beer you know... but anyway. I can't wait to see how this ends. Should be fun :D
     
  11. KC Salty

    KC Salty Member

    Apr 27, 2000
    Kansas City, Missouri
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jace, please reread my original post. I did not ask anyone to rat the individual out. I'm trying to exert pressure on the individual in question to own up to his actions.

    We don't know yet what the potential fallout of this incident will be. I'm certainly not going to assume this will blow over, because I can not take the risk that we are seen as condoning this type of action or are in any way construed as being complicit with it. I have already sent a message to Curt to try and start damage control. I'm not expecting a reply until Monday, possibly even Tuesday at the earliest due to the holiday. I'll probably have a meeting with him this week. But due to this incident, I won't be talking with him about road trips and smoke machines or anything else positive. Instead I'm going to try and preserve the things we already have.

    Why don't you think that The Cauldron is threatened? Why wouldn't the stadium security want to move our group away from the tunnel and the corner areas? No doubt the Galaxy have filed a complaint with the league, and the league will exert some pressure on the Wizards front office. No doubt stadium security is lobbying the front office to disband our section. So the front office is getting pressure on all sides. And when we are uncooperative in helping to solve their problem, who in the front office can defend us?

    I understand that we're not angels. But there are some lines that we should not cross. If anybody thinks that taking a stand in defense of throwing things on players is a good thing, then I've got to assure you that The Cauldron and the Mystics are not long for this league.

    It MUST be understood that this type of behavior is not permissable. As new people join us in The Cauldron we must inform them that they should...

    ...respect others right to stand for the entire match.

    ...make noise.

    ...wear blue.

    ...NEVER throw anything onto the field, at a player, or into the tunnel.

    Do I believe that this type of incident will never occur again? Of course not. But if it does, then I would expect the individual in the question to 'take one for the team' instead of dragging everyone down with him. And that is what I'm hoping for now.
     
  12. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Of course I'm totally ignorant on the situation here but... how can one disband a group of people?
     
  13. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    I don't know how many beer throwing incidents you have had in your section, we in the Barra have had security literally break legs over such behavior (litigation in progress). Last season -when we actually were putting the ball in the net- tossing a beer in the air was acceptable in our section. We were tossing it straight up and on ourselves. When you sat in the Barra, you knew this may happen, and it was no big deal. Atleast to us. However, tossing ANYTHING onto the pitch is not cool. Even we in the Barra have some common decency (belive it or not).

    Last season someone thought it was funny to toss Old Bay seasoning into peoples faces. Behavior like that in totally unacceptable and is handled in house. Your section sounds fairly organized, so handle it how you see fit. Good luck.
     
  14. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The first thing they can do is close off that section. There are other steps, too. While I don't think they can kill "the Mystics", the Cauldron can easily cease to exist. But they might move it where folks will start complaining about not getting "mad love" from the players again.
     
  15. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Kevin, this question may sound silly at first, but why do you have to talk to Curt? How does he expect you or any of us to control this situation? We can't really control who sits in the cauldron since the organization opened it up, can we? Hell, they even advertise it to everyone. For example, none of us knows the other guy who got kicked out, and yet we're all to take the blame for someone who's name I don't even know?

    Still, everyone should realize that while logic says otherwise, they will blame the whole group for this. The organization has us in a wonderful situation for them. They will use us to give the impression that there is a truly passionate atmosphere at games, and then blame EVERYONE in the group when something bad happens. I think management, like most America sports clubs, doesn't really care that much about sections like ours, because as someone on Big Soccer once said, clubs don't necessarily want a very vocal, rowdy atmosphere. They only want to create the illusion of it so nobody is offended.

    I agree that the culprit should come forward so this can be treated as an act by an individual, not a group. I don't think the club cares about the many innocent people. They'll step on anyone to do what they think will solve the problem.
     
  16. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    I dont think anyone should tell anyone else who did it, unless in private. For that matter there shouldnt be any hints to who did it as well. It doesnt really matter. The way I look at it, we should protect the person who did it, no matter who it was. I consider pretty much anyone in the Cauldron a friend, and as soon as that beer got tossed I immediately tried to pick a fight with the security guards. Why? Because they knew I didnt do it, and I knew I could divert attention from who ever actually did it. Point being, I'm going to protect my fellow fans, not call them out when they do something stupid.

    This is a discussion for Wizards fans and others that want to give an honest opinion. Segroves, I see your crap in other places, but when its on my turf I'm not letting it fly. I'm sick of your posts.

    The front office has to use common sense. One person does not stand for a whole group. If they "broke up" the Cauldron because of one person, they wouldnt be very smart or fair. I dont think this is something we should worry about. Fans, and more importantly to a lot of us friends, do some stupid crap sometimes. That does not mean we need to fight and bicker within the section. I've seen numerous people do numerous stupid things, and I cant say that one action, or any number of accumulated actions, has made me think less or want to call out any person in our section.

    (NOTE: I dont have the computer speed to moderate this right now, but tomorrow this thread will be edited. Sorry, I'm on a slow modem.)
     
  17. LifeOfBrian

    LifeOfBrian New Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    Club:
    --other--
    Misguided loyalty ?

    Say that beer incident resulted in serious injury. Would you be so willing to protect your fellow fan then ?

    Edited to add:
    Throwing anything on the pitch is never acceptable. Clearly, whoever threw it, even in the heat of the moment, did not give a damn about the consequences for his fellow fans.

    His identity is not so important. But I do re-iterate, if the consequences for the player had been more severe, would you stand up and be counted ?
     
  18. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    How about it, Lucid?
    An instant classic.
     
  19. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    No, not misguided. You've got to understand our situation. We're a group of people (20-60) at any given time that all know each other very well. Many of us are friends. I'd stand behind any of them, no matter who threw it. Maybe some people arent like that, I am.

    Serious injury? I guess each instance is different. I knew it was only the liquid, I saw it hit him, I saw him wash his face off with water and go right into taking the corner. So I knew there was no serious injury, therefore you're question doesnt pertain. If Jones had gone down, had to be subbed out and taken to the locker room, of course I'd feel differently.

    JP: You're getting there dude. ;) Just remember, each comment on here isnt directed at you all the time. I dont think Wade directed his comments toward you. Also, dont respond to Segroves. He has a history on BigSoccer that you cant even begin to imagine. See the Rivalries forum for some of his best (or worst).
     
  20. LifeOfBrian

    LifeOfBrian New Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    Club:
    --other--
    I take your point, and most fan groups are the same. Beer is no big deal - this incident is not the first, and nor will it be the last.

    But from my perspective, a player has the right to go on pitch, do his stuff and entertain the fans without suffering the indignity of abuse by a minority of fans.

    Granted, you guys are a close group - but then why should you all have to suffer because one of you chooses to be a fool at the wrong moment ?
     
  21. JMU Soccer!

    JMU Soccer! New Member

    Jul 19, 1999
    What if the shoe was on the other foot, and lets say Preki got doused with beer while taking a corner kick, by some Galaxative fan? All of you would be screaming for his head.

    Why is this culprit hiding? Is he/she afraid to reap the consequences by not admitting his/her actions? If this is just a "silly" incident, than what's to hide?

    That person is Chicken ************ as hell if you ask me.
     
  22. KC Salty

    KC Salty Member

    Apr 27, 2000
    Kansas City, Missouri
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ben, I've got to disagree with you. We agree that what was done was stupid. But from there, our assessments of the situation diverge.

    The most important thing to acknowledge here is that actions have consequences. If we agree on that, then we can proceed with this discussion. What those consequences are remain to be seen.

    One possible consequence that I didn't mention in my previous posts is on the topic of 'mad love' that Andy brought up. The Wizards players all know by now what happened, and that the beer came from our section. As players, they don't want objects thrown at them when they are on the road. They can not possibly condone this type of behavior. I would not be surprised if we get the 'cold shoulder' treatment from the players for a while. Kiss those game jerseys goodbye for a while.

    Again, we do not know the fallout of this action. But I will tell you that being complicit in covering up the incident makes us guilty. You state that one person does not stand for the whole group. But when the group is actively covering up the incident as you have admitted in your post, then the whole group has been made a part of the action. By those actions we are condoning throwing things at players. Adopting a 'these things happen' or 'boys will be boys' mentality will only serve to show the Wizards front office and Arrowhead security that The Cauldron are UNABLE and UNWILLING to control our actions and take responsibility for them. And if that is what they believe to be true, then what do you expect them to do about it?

    Let me take a step back for a moment and say the following. I do not want to see anyone leave The Cauldron. I do not believe the person who threw the beer is a bad person. In all likelihood, the person did, as everyone is saying, follow his emotions, lost self control, and made a stupid mistake. I do not want to see this person banned. I think we all want passionate fans in The Cauldron.

    But whether we like it or not, actions have consequences. All I'm saying is that WE must do everything in our power to ensure that this does not happen again, so that THEY don't do something that is very much within their power to ensure that it doesn't happen again!
     
  23. jeffd

    jeffd Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    taintsville
    Looks like KC is the frontrunner for the next WCQ.
     
  24. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no! Not KC! The crazy fans there will get us in trouble with FIFA and then we will have to play our next home qualifier in an empty stadium!

    I don't think it is worth the risk. ;)

    - Paul
     
  25. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    That's called sticking together and sorting it out amongst your own.

    IMHO... excuse to the club as a group and say what's been said here. That should do the trick for now.
     

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