Where's Timmy Gonna Play Next Year?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Eaashley79, Jan 30, 2007.

  1. Eaashley79

    Eaashley79 Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    San Antonio
    With SAF confirming the return of Ben Foster to United, is this confirmation that Tim Howard's United career is over?

    http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/6419764?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=177
    http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/fergie-favours-foster.html

    Looks like a permanent move to Everton is imminent contigent on Timmy's play for the remainder of the season. Although he has had a successful season overall, Moyes may be a bit concerned about the few "soft" goals he has let in. If he can finish the season strong, he'll be a Blue next season.
     
  2. fusion101

    fusion101 Member

    Jan 11, 2002
    I see a permanent move to Everton. I think Moyes likes Howard, and will be willing to pay the very modest transfer to get Howard services.
     
  3. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was there really any belief he would return to United? Nope. I think they closed the door for him or visa versa which ever way you look at it. He's settled at Everton and that's all that matters.
     
  4. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    yep, Utd kind of screwed themselves here.

    Tim Howard has conceded 20 goals this season. Edwin Van Der Saar, with the best backline in England, and possibly the world, has conceded 17. Jens Lehman, for Arsenal, has conceded 20.

    They are in 7th place, yet Everton have the 4th best GA. and yet they have the 4th most draws in the league. How are those two related? It means they have a bunch of low scoring draws, and that means Howard has been saving this club points. Everton has just one more win than they have draws, and a GD of +8. What this means is they are playing in a lot of low scoring matches, 1 - 1, 1 - 0, etc.

    Oh yea, Howard is tied for the 3rd most clean sheets in the league with 9, and once again - this club is in SEVENTH. Reina has 15, JJ of Bolton, who is probably the GK of the year, has 10, and VDS has 9 also.

    Finally, Utd scored 3 goals against Everton. which bloats that GA. If you drop that game, that gives his team a .83 GA Avg in matches he's played in. Good for 5th in the league, and even that is a misleading number because he closer to the 2nd place % (Utd) than the 6th place % (Portsmouth).

    Let's put this myth that Howard is any way, shape or form - "soft", "shaky", what have you.

    He hasn't been good, he's been ********ing brilliant.
     
  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gettin Cahill back should help them. I don't think they can challenge the big 4. But I like them so secure a UEFA Cup spot.
     
  6. DGNB

    DGNB New Member

    Jul 28, 2005
    Well said!!!!! The numbers don't lie.
     
  7. Sinter

    Sinter New Member

    Oct 12, 2003
    New York City, U.S.A
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Timmy has always performed statistically well that has never been the knock against him. He does have the tendency to let in some soft goals however. I love Timmy though, and I'm glad to see him holding Everton steady for a chance at a UEFA cup spot.
     
  8. Eaashley79

    Eaashley79 Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    San Antonio
    The whole situation is a bit reminiscent of the Kasey Keller/Paul Robinson ordeal at Tottenham. Despite Keller's experience and history at the club, the younger Brit was given the starting position upon his transfer from Leeds. I wonder if Ben Foster's label as "the best young English goalkeeper" is playing any role in this.???
     
  9. Davids26

    Davids26 Member

    May 31, 2000
    I'm just glad that I'm not still reading quotes from Howard saying something to the effect of, "I love United, I want to earn my starting spot back, blah, blah blah". There's certainly nothing wrong with being the starter at Everton.
     
  10. alextdub

    alextdub New Member

    Apr 25, 2003
    Davis
    Ben Foster may be labelled as the best young England goalkeeper, but he has earned it. Watford's leaky defence has left Foster stranded all season long to be peppered with shots. He has made some incredible saves to keep Watford in games and keep the score from escalating in others. He will be challenging Robinson for the starting England job at Euro 2008 and SA 2010. He's on par with Tim Howard (or better) and has more upside at a younger age.
     
  11. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    but they can be twisted to say what you want ....




    which i'm not saying is happening here, by the way. I trust Appoo's judgement on this one.
     
  12. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the disappointment with Howard has always been that he keeps out so many difficultshots, if he could just keep out the easier ones, he'd be (perhaps) the best in the world.
     
  13. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But this was a tendency that was noticeable in New York/New Jersey.

    I doubt at age 27,that this is something that can be "coached" out of him.Any manager who signs Tim must be willing to accept the possibility that a easy goal may go in from time to time.
     
  14. Eaashley79

    Eaashley79 Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    San Antonio
    All keepers let in a "soft" goal from time to time. The best just do it less often. The key, however, is on what stage are these goals scored and what was the final result. Unfortunately for Timmy, he has let in some easy ones in big games and the result didn't go United's way - the Champion's League game against Lyon comes to mind. Fans are more likely to forget a howler as long as their team wins (unless you're Roy Carroll).

    Since the signing of Van der Sar, Tim hasn't had the chance to to prove that he can handle the pressure in the big games. Until Everton qualify for Europe or advance to the latter rounds of the FA Cup, this question mark is going to continue to hang over his head.
     
  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Everton 3
    Liverpool 0

    they don't get more pressurized in Europe than the Merseyside Derby
     
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    It's his first full season in the Prem and MLS is ... eh, a less challenging league, to put it mildly.

    My take is that he's got three more years of these blunders remaining.

    By the age of thirty, he should round off into a top notch GK.

    Gordon Banks once said that he didn't know what he was doing until the age of twenty nine. So Timmy's got time.
     
  17. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everton would not be a bad move and I think it will happen
     
  18. Eaashley79

    Eaashley79 Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    San Antonio
    You're right. That's a big game...but it only comes around twice a year. At United he would have...

    ManU v. Arsenal (home/away)
    ManU v. Chelsea (home/away)
    ManU v. Liverpool (home/away)
    ManU v. City (home/away)

    Not to mention the latter stages of the Champion's League and FA Cup (assumption). All games in which United is expected to win.

    My hope for Tim is he can lead the U.S. into the late stages of Copa America. In meaningful tournaments/games for the national team, he has a chance to shake off some of his critics - stateside at least. The Mexico game will be a good start. I just don't see it happening at Everton.
     
  19. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Liverpool should look at Timmy

    They need a goalie
     
  20. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Liverpool has little money to make too many signings at this point.
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Is it? Really? I vaguely remember him being the PFA's GK of the year.
     
  22. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Voting that was done after his 3 months with ManU?

    After which he sat on the bench for Roy Carroll?
     
  23. helmet

    helmet New Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Jose
    Let's see how he does at Anfield.
     
  24. aueagle1

    aueagle1 New Member

    Aug 4, 2005
    Washington DC
    He played 31 league matches (and was injured for a couple), all but one Champions League match, and most of the FA Cup matches. That's a bit more than three months worth of matches.
     
  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    He joined Manchester United in July. Voting wasn't done in November. He replaced Buffon for basically a full season. Roy Carroll replaced him during his second year.
     

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