1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

You didn't just attack her conclusion you overreacted and posted a fanboy rant with loads of worthless excuses to absolve Spector of any poor play. Go back and read your post and look at all the excuses you made for Spector's play. It's not Spector's fault it's the rest of the team, it's new ownership, it's a new manager, new transfers, injuries...

It's silly for you to overreact so vehemently to Hammerette's statement "I still think he can do a job for us there(at fullback) but centre half is not the place for him I'm afraid." That's really not a scathing critique like you made it out to be. I've probably seen Jon play about 20 matches now for club(s) and country and I haven't seen any indication that his future is at centerback.

How does "I don't think center half is the place for him I'm afraid" turn into Spector should never play as a centerback for the rest of his career regardless of his development? Only in the eyes of fanboys I guess.

I'll try to remember that this board is Yanks Abroad Apologists and not just Yanks Abroad.

I'm not surprised the apologists are ignoring that Jon quit on a play because he thought he was fouled, but hey I'm sure that was all the ref's fault. Let's see him do that with the Nats.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

If I were a meanspirited Cad I would have one response to this post:


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Fortunately, I am much more enlightened than that.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

good article...nice qoutes from jay.

http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=reports&id=2680

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

That was a scathing critique - only the rosiest of glasses would think otherwise. And I, for one, have no problem with the FAN BOY lable. I mean, if you aren't, what the heck are you doing burning valuable time on a Fan Forum?

Hammerette's team lost, s/he had a hissy fit - attacked a US player on a US player Fan Board and some posters reacted. It's not all the surprising, really.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

I don't understand why anyone has been critical of Hammerette simply for giving her honest opinion of something. Agree with it or disagree with it, but don't attack one of the rare people on here who give honest, and more importantly unbiased first hand reports of on of our players. If we lose people like her and Richard, then this board is essentially useless.

I don't think she threw a hissy-fit in the least btw, and I don't think she went out of her way to attack a US player. Especially since she was far more critical of the guy from Northern Ireland. In fact, if team USA was doing as poorly as West Ham, I shudder to think what 90% of you would be saying about our own players, in comparison to how she treats West Ham players.

From her past posts, there absolutly no reason to think she would act in such a manner. Really, if she says he played poorly, then we can trust he played poorly.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=8711

one thing in Spec's defense however, that Curbs mentions here

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=8711

"In fact, I spoke to the centre-halves this week because Danny Gabbidon and James Collins have been out three times this season, while Ferdinand's been out on four occasions. We've never been able to get any of last year's central defensive partnerships back together again and, indeed, today was the first time that Jonathan Spector and Christian Dailly have played together at the back.

"The right-back situation has been up in the air with different people playing there and now, after falling on his ankle, Lucas Neill is struggling, too. We don't seem to be able to get through a week without playing the same side in the next game and surely our fans have got to appreciate that's been the case.

that was the first time they played together back there.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Quick reminder for all.

This board is for news and information and opinions of our Yanks Abroad, but it's not solely for good information.
If a player did play poorly, then that news is also expected on this site.
We as fans can't turn a blind eye to the negatives of the Yanks Abroad - though all too often that's the case.

We have no perfect players.
All good players have a bad game once in a while.

Hammerrette was on this forum to give the news and her personal opinion.
Do not attack HER for that. You can attack the points in the post that you dissagree with - but keep it to the post and NOT the poster.

Basically - it is possible to be a fan and still give an honest critique of a player.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Well said. All the more so because Hammerette happens to be right. As a big US Nats supporter, I have been waiting for Spector to round into form so that he could help the US team. I have to admit now, after watching him many times this season, the boy has been poor in almost every way. There's just no way to sugarcoat it. He's young, I understand that. But this game was not an anomoly. Spector has underperformed all season long.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

If he's been "underperforming" all season long does it cease to be "underperforming" and become just "performing", just not maybe he isn't as good as we all thought?

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

I wish I hadn't of bothered reading some of the reaction to my original post.

Some of you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension.

I NEVER debated Hamerette's opinion of how Spector played. She is entitled to that opinion and since I didn't see the match it would be impossible for me to respond to her by saying, "Bullsh!t, Spector was awesome and you know it."

I NEVER attacked Hamerette personally. I took multiple jabs at the team she supports but none at her. Those who frequent these boards know that's not my style.

I DID attack her conclusion of Spector in central defense that she based off of one match. This should be what everyone took away from my post. I honestly think it is folly to write a defender off after an infinite number of games when they are only 20. Much less one game.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Who attacked her for that? I attacked her conclusion based upon what she described as a horror game.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

I attacked her tone. And I still think it was over wrought - a supermarket toddler tantrum? "pure filth" "he will know he was rubbish" To the bench "hoping" to get a shot at fullback - in his first outing as a CD paired with Dailly and giving up a single goal on a Carroll flail that makes Howard look like the king of the high ball and this is the "insightful analysis" we are supposed to laud?

Sorry, it's a rant and should be treated as such. If you're going to put out locker-room posturing posts, you just can't be surprised you get kick back. That's absurd.

Spector may have been as bad a CD as Zat Knight circa 2005-06, but come on, "pure filth?" That's laughable - and kind of nasty.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Cut the girl some slack. Her team is going through one of the worst seasons of any club in the past decade, considering the expectations the club had heading into the season.

All I'm really saying is that she may well have been harsh in this report, everything before this has been very moderate.

and people like her and Richard have provided more to this board than most of us combined (and I include myself in that). I said it once an dI'll say it again, without these rare, unbiased first hand reports YA wouldn't be anywhere CLOSE to what it is.

FC Tallevena, you know I have no problems with you.

But I thought you leaning towards her saying this stuff because she's mad at her team and because Spector is an American, and she'd get a reaction because this is an American message board. You didn't call her name or anything, but you were insinuating that she was being a troll, and I thought that was unfair.

(of course I also thought you had a post to that affect, which I can't find anymore, so maybe I'm just crazy)

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Sure, you say you have no problems with me. But you disrespect my name by not spelling it properly. Clearly an agenda.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Maybe I'm in denial, or I'm just remembering how poised and confident he looked when he had that cup of coffee as a ManU starter. Just doesn't look like the same player lately.

Hopefully it's growing pains and he'll improve from the lessons he's been getting. Don't know how much slack he'll be given on an EPL squad though - I'm surprised he's still showing up on the team sheet the last few weeks. And I certainly don't want him anywhere near the US nats till he sorts himself out.

 

Re: 1/27, Spector & DeMerit: West Ham v Watford {R}

Ok, we're done here.

Folks if you are annoyed/upset with a post or you think its improper - then report it and we'll deal with it as soon as we can.

I will go back and double check things.