Reyna To Sign With Red Bull (Deal Not Final Yet)

Re: Reyna close to a RBNY deal?

I agree with your NY RB DP analysis but I know there are good goal scorers that don't have as super large egos as Chinaglia and Totti (ie. Pele and T. Henry)

 

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It wasn't chanting, but some idiots at Parkhead who thought it would get on Claudio's nerves if they imitated an airplane with their arms outstretched on a corner at the Old Firm derby right after 9/11.

Reyna's not fit right with Psycho's scheme of things at City.

He's still the best American midfielder, and for that reason alone we would be lucky to have him in a Red Bulls kit come spring.

 

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Man, if we were going to use a DP on a goalie...we should have done what LA did....Get Cannon....Colorado could have gotten Amado in exchange.....

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and we are not even sure this is what will happen....

 

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Offer him a low base salary and bonuses he can't refuse: for every ninety minutes he puts in, for goals, assists, wins, playoffs, Cups... Throw in more for public appearances.

Otherwise he'll just leach off you to his own benefit like he's always done. When it's contact renewal time his niggling injury-rested legs will bounce around the park and he'll show all sorts of promise and everyone at training will know he's top level class. But when the going gets tough he'll have an icebag on his leg or go shopping with the wife for the next gig. And Arena will give him the captain's band.

 

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Come on home, Claudio, and lead my team to the Championship!

 

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By yelling words of encouragment from the trainers table?

 

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Posted this elsewhere but thought it should have a home here as well..


Giase talks to Arena on the Draft in the Newark Star Ledger...he talks about being hamstrung by Mojo and Bozo (read Bozo as Lalas)...it also looks like Claudio will be with us via an allocation... probably in exchange for Youri

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/gia...500.xml&coll=1

 

Re: Reyna close to a RBNY deal?

It's getting a bit closer:

http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/article.php?article_id=8416

 

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Didn't see a reference to a Youri allocation in the BigAppleSoccer article. Curious about where you got that/saw it--thanks.

 

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My guess ...that is why I said probably...but I think it is an accurate one...where else would they get an allocation from? maybe Peguerro?

 

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Easy, tiger.

Remember that crucial qualifier down in Honduras when Mathis scored the free kick and Reyna was too injured to partake, even though he played like three days later for his club?

Well, he said he didn't actually watch the US game, but he saw the score come up on the sports ticker and he kinda jumped around a little bit.

I salute you, Captain America.

 

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The league seems to be phasing out the awarding of allocations for players that don't bring a sale/transfer fee (Earnie Stewart being the example that most closely matches up with Youri: interational, World Cup experience, arrived via major allocation, played exactly two years, with somewhat similar impact).

But where there's an MLS will, there's an MLS way--they pretty much invented an allocation rule to keep Landon away from San Jose when he came back--so an allocation for Youri isn't out of the question or unprecedented.

 

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That's my understanding as well (on both counts--phasing out allocations for those not sold and MLS is flexible with the rules). The primary reason I don't see Reyna coming on an allocation is that means he'd have to make less than MLS maximum salary. Even with Schoop grandfathered in and 2 DPs, the reality is that all of those players still need to fit in under the cap. If you assume 3 players all counting at MLS max salary (I know, the first DP actually counts as more) and then a 4th player (Reyna) making MLS max or near it...well, you'd have some huge cap issues trying to fit players making more than league minimum into the team. I'm not forecasting doom and gloom, only that b/c I've seen nothing saying that Reyna would be willing to sign for $200K, that I think he'd be signing as a DP slot.

 

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_headline=city-save-a-fortune-as-reyna-ends%26method=full%26objectid=18424644%26siteid=94762-name_page.html


9 January 2007
CITY SAVE A FORTUNE AS REYNA ENDS
CLAUDIO REYNA is returning to America in a deal which will save Manchester City around £600,000.

Reyna, who was on £30,000 a week, and the club have agreed to cancel the remaining six months of his contract.

The 33-year-old is going home to the USA to play for New York Red Bulls.

 

Re: Reyna close to a RBNY deal?

Now to find out how much they are gonna pay him here. That's a lot of cheese to give up. Was he really making 30,000 pounds a week?

 

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What. A. ********ing. RIOT.

I'm sure there's much wailing and rending of garments in Manchester right now.

 

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The 2 DPs don't fit under any cap as far as I can tell...the sky is the limit... Reyna is proabably coming for a partial allocation and Red Bull will offfer him a huge marketing deal to increase his salary... Remember we have Daddy Warbucks now...

 

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Yeah, but his next contract is the one we should compare. In june he would have had to re sign, and at his age it would have been for less than that. Likely around 15-20 pounds per week...if he would have been resigned by a prem team at all. He may have had to find another club that couldnt match the prem's wage bills.

So perhaps $280-$400K and the ability to play back home are enough to counter act whatever he may have been offered next season somewhere else or with City if they chose to retain his services.

 

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or maybe Red Bull is buying out his contract - after all, bonuses do not equal sal cap.

(just woolgathering here - 600k is a lot of poundage to give up without really good reasons - although considering his Real Estate holdings in the US, he honest to goodness may not need it.)

 

Re: Reyna close to a RBNY deal?

Not so. The rules specifically say that the first DP counts as $400k on the cap and the second DP counts as $330K (or something around that amount). And you have Schoop (who is grandfathered in for 2007 so you don't need a DP slot for him). So that means those 3 DP's count as 1 million dollars against the cap. The rest of their salaries (for instance, if you sign Ronaldo to $9 million a year) is off-cap and born by the owners (and yes, by MLS standards, you do have Daddy Warbucks).

My understanding is that the MLS cap is increasing by about $200-300K this year. So you can do the math easily enough--to have 3 or 4 or 5 players on the roster (assuming you use an allocation to sign a player or two) at MLS max salary, well that eats up a tremendous amount of cap room.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here--MLS teams have dealt with this dilemma before. But a rough look at cap numbers implies that unless Claudio Reyna was willing to take a pay-cut to $100K a year or something on that level, it doesn't much matter if you use an allocation on him--it's just very, very difficult to put together a coherent roster with the existing (or proposed cap) that has 3 players who count as $1 million against the cap. Teams have done that in the past in MLS (they obviously weren't DP slots with players making millions, they were players like Eddie Pope or Jaime Moreno who were making MLS max or just a bit above). But it just means that the rest of your roster needs to be guys making MLS minimum or cap exempt players (such as signing guys to the developmental side, then promoting them to the senior side but not bumping up their pay). Or signing a lot of Gen-Ad players (bad year for that, right now there are few Gen-Ad players signed up by MLS). The other consequence of having a roster with 3-4 players all making MLS max salary (for cap purposes) is that players like Dema Kovalenko (ie: MLS veterans who don't make the minimum but make between $70k-150K) are very difficult to fit on the roster.

 

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Schopp isnt a DP....he is making near max salary money for MLS, because he is a loaned player from Salzburg (RB is picking up his remaining salary via their Salzburg club books)

 

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A $1.2 million dollar player counting $200g's towards the cap aint bad.

That's a steal for us.

I know that wasn't your point, I just hope we can get another player or two in a similar fashion. Nice way to leverage Red Bulls situation.

 

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It doesn't matter what you call him--MLS explicitly grandfathered him in (along with Ruiz, EJ, Donovan, etc.) as being exempt from the DP restriction b/c he had been signed earlier. My point isn't that he's a DP or not, but that people who are eager to try and sign Reyna on some means other than a DP forget that ultimately, you can have 8 players making MLS max and non who are DPs (or 2 who are DPs and a third or fourth who are exempt--for instance if LA traded for EJ) and you run into cap issues. Most of the money paid to the DPs doesn't count against the cap but the first $400K and then $330K do. So unless Reyna signs for a really low figure, it doesn't much matter whether you use an allocation or DP on him--there are only so many big budget players any team in MLS can afford before the rest of the roster needs to be MLS minimum and cap-exempt (development and Gen-Ad) players.

 

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You have an official source for this claim that he is being called a grandfathered DP, because tecnically MLS is only responsible for the MLS salary he is earning since they dont own his contract outright via loan with Austrian club Salzburg.

In case you missed the memo. Red Bull unloaded the ball park salaries of 135K Canero, 100K Henderson, 125K Meola, 280K Guevara, 200K Djorkeaff and around 150K for Buddle and O'Rourke.

Our current roster is WAY below the cap, in fact i dont think we currently have a player still on the books that will contribute more than 75K towards the cap next season. (except for Schopp)

We have more than enough room to work with.

2.3 Million means even after you figure in 730K for DP's and 280K for Reyna and even 125K for Waterreus then the current cap roster we still have around 300K or more to play with.

So please enlighten me on where you are getting your numbers that we dont have the salary space to sign 2 Dp's and a max salary guy?

 

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Sorry, you are incorrect...First off 400K +330K does not = 1 million...more like 730K...second Scopp is not a DP! Third the cap only applies to what the league will pay not what the teams will pay so I think you logic is off base and the Bulls have more to spend and other ways to spend then other MLS clubs via Red Bull promotional contracts...