Dempsey to Fulham - Pending Work Permit

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by appoo, Jan 1, 2007.

  1. chanman83

    chanman83 Member

    Sep 25, 2006
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wanna see how long before he snaps and does something stupid. I think he has tons of potential but he's very hot headed. EPL compeition is more rough than the MLS. I hope he does well.
     
  2. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    You can apply for a work permit anytime as they are needed for all jobs.

    However, I don't think it's possible (someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong) for Fulham to request a work permit for someone they aren't officially trying to hire/sign and in the world of professional soccer, FIFA has mandated certain transfer periods for players under contract.

    I don't think it's possible for Fulham to request a work permit for a player that isn't reasonably considered "theirs" so I would assume they can't get the process started until they have Clint's signature and that couldn't be done before Jan 1st.
     
  3. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    But they can hire anyone from the EU nations.

    You're argument is precisely why the work permit rules are in place.
    Why should clubs spend good money to hire 2nd tier internationals when there are plenty of them in the EU? In other words, why hire an Argentine rather than a Belgian of comparable talent?

    How is this hurting the smaller clubs?
     
  4. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No it doesn't.
     
  5. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Exactly. The players who can't get work permits are, in the vast majority of cases, no better than those already available to the clubs they just happen to be cheaper.

    And to dispel another myth: big clubs are not favoured over smaller clubs.
     
  6. Fire-Chop

    Fire-Chop New Member

    Jun 8, 2004
    Simple supply and demand.

    The demand by clubs remains the same, the rules limit supply to EU countries, thus driving up costs because of the artificially limited amount of supply. This higher cost has a greater effect on the poor clubs than the rich.

    So this type of protectionist policy hurts the smaller employer and the foreign labor, while helping richer clubs and domestic labor.
     
  7. wrightcor

    wrightcor New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Maryland
    Just read that article as well. If approved his fee would be the highest for an MLS player. I wonder how much of that will New England see????
     
  8. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    he has a couple songs actually i wish i didnt know that though they all suck! he needs to stick to soccer. i doubt dempsey will light up the epl but iam sure he''ll be a nice addition to fulham
     
  9. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, so small clubs can get better or equivalent players that are cheaper than the ones they already have.

    And that doesn't hurt them in the long run.

    Riiiight.
     
  10. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    It's not helping the richer clubs as much as it is helping labor.
    That is the point of the regulations.

    The rule is to benefit employees - not to benefit employers.
    The EU is trying to ensure that as many EU citizens have at least equal or possibly better chances of obtaining a job and getting a good wage. The EU is not overly worried about those from non-EU nations.
     
  11. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it happens, it is good for US Soccer, good for Dempsey and good for the league.

    1. Good for US Soccer as it gets one of the stalwarts in 2010 in a better league.

    2. Good for Dempsey as it means more money for him and the possibility of playing in a better league.

    3. Good for MLS as it provides another positive example of as young American playing in MLS then making a move, rather than going to England at 18 to sit on a bench.
     
  12. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    It drives up prices for the local/EU players just like any tariff or quotas.

    If you limit the number of foreign cars sold in the US, you drive up the prices for the domestically manufactured units. It's good for people making them, it's bad for people buying them.

    Overall, with the EU labor market being about 500M people (Romania and Bulgaria have become official members Jan, 1, 07), the non-EU UK labor regulations, especially as it infers to footballers, are of a pretty marginal effect.
     
  13. Wahoo

    Wahoo New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Seattle, USA
    Right - it is intended to protect domestic workers rather than domestic companies just like with tariffs and quotas.

    With the numbers of players and teams, I would be very suprised if this is driving the price of "average" players up substantially to where it has a significant effect on smaller clubs.

    Ok, now back to Dempsey
     
  14. JCUnited

    JCUnited Member

    Oct 7, 2002
    South Bend, IN
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I sure hope this goes through.

    If not, we're gonna see a season long pout on the pitch by Clint.

    That wouldn't be good for Clint, MLS, or US Soccer.
     
  15. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would Dempsey take out his frustration with the UK Home Office by pouting in MLS?

    :confused:
     
  16. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's pretty much what Convey did.
     
  17. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Doesn't Clint get to the 75% by adding either (1) a game he missed by injury or (2) didn't he not get picked by Arena when he got suspended by NE one time?

    Hard to imagine he doesn't pass on this appeal. Player of year- played well at the Cup. That's a definently higher standard than Convey was a few years back.
     
  18. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    He was suspended before the Germany game, which as a friendly, did not count.

    But now I am trying to recall if he wasn't hurt for several Gold Cup matches where he likely would have featured.
     
  19. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    I don't recall Clint missing any US games, Gold Cup or otherwise, due to injury.
     
  20. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awesome if that's the case......Little by little the value of our players ought to continue growing...

    Charlton tried 1.5 million buck no? SO this is almost 3 times as much.....
     
  21. Super White Boy

    Super White Boy New Member

    Mar 6, 2005
    Gaithersburg, MD
    I haven't read the entire thread, but do we know when the appeal is?
     
  22. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    he missed the Latvia game due to injury. I talked to him before the game but i don't think that game counts
     
  23. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Anyone know when a decision is coming from the tribunal?
     
  24. Jabinho

    Jabinho New Member

    May 29, 2004
    I would be willing to bet nobody here knows that.. I would doubt even Coleman even knows exactly when that will happen..
    The only thing we could say is it shouldn't be too long.. A few days at most, perhaps..
     

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