Lineup vs. Colorado?

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Voice of Reason, Apr 29, 2003.

  1. Voice of Reason

    Voice of Reason New Member

    Dec 11, 1998
    With all the personal invective flyin' around on these boards, I thought it might be time to refocus on the task at hand: Colorado.

    Given Colorado's particular strengths and weaknesses, what does our resident braintrust think will be the starting eleven and their formation?

    Ziadie on the left again or was that to neutralize Hedjuk only?

    Strikes me that Colorado is equally strong on both wings and it is unlikely that Leitch would be left that exposed this Saturday. At the same time they are weaker in the attacking mid than either Columbus or the Galaxy.

    Thoughts please.

    V.O.R.
     
  2. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland
    Colorado doesn't have anybody dangerous enough to make a specific line-up just for them. With the team as new as it is, I'd like to see a consistant line-up start to emerge. Down the middle, we're pretty much set, with Howard in goal, Pope and Jolley at center mid, Williams and Clark at D-Mid and Guevara at A-mid. I'd like to see Digi and Ziadie as the outside backs, as they've both been playing well this season. Mathis and Moreno up front. The key question mark becomes the wings. Can Lisi play there? Is he healthy? Is Leblanc an option as a regular starter?

    Also, is Bradley going to stick with the 4-4-2? If he goes to a 3-5-2, we could see something like:

    Howard

    Jolley Pope Regan?

    Williams Clark

    Ziadie Guevara Digi

    Mathis Moreno


    Do you all think the Pope/Jolley tandem would work as well in a 3-man back line?
     
  3. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If i were the coach i try the same line-up, if it works don't mess with it, besides we need to start building chemistry between players. I am not sure if Moreno will be available, he was out with back pain. We have back Guevara.

    Keep the same line-up as in last game minus Moreno add Guevara.
     
  4. cmonaco

    cmonaco New Member

    Feb 21, 1999
    Montreal/NYC
    Leitch acquitted himself qutie well working in a back 4, and I doubt Regan gets the start ahead of him, even if Bradley moves to a 3-5-2. My bet is he more or less stays with last week's starting lineup (which was defensively working together quite well), and hopes that 90 minutes of Moreno and Guevara makes the difference on the offensive end. Magee on the bench. We still haven't had much of a chance to see Clint, Moreno, and Guevara work together, and Bradley must want to get them on the pitch and see what they can do offensively. If Moreno's injury is still nagging him then Magee starts.
     
  5. Voice of Reason

    Voice of Reason New Member

    Dec 11, 1998
    I think with Guevara in the lineup Bradley would prefer a 3-5-2. Digi can play the left wing, but I agree the right side seems to be the question mark. Bradley might prefer to stay with the 4-4-2 as it is working ok, at least defensively.

    Is Lisi ready to return? haven't heard that yet.

    Ziadie played pretty well at left back. We might see:

    Howard
    Leitch Pope Jolley Ziadie
    Clark Wiliams
    Guevara DiGiamarino
    Mathis Moreno

    That of course is assuming Moreno is ready to go. Any word there?

    V.O.R.
     
  6. Gamblor

    Gamblor New Member

    May 17, 1999
    http://www.metrostars.com/metronews/injuries.htm

    F Moreno, Jaime - strained lower back - Probable

    If accurate, I'll go with:

    ...............Moreno....Mathis................
    ...Digi.............Guevara......................
    ..............Williams....Clark...................
    ..Ziadie.......Jolley....Pope.........Leitch..
    ....................Howard........................

    How Colorado may lineup:

    ...............Roberts....Spencer...............
    ..Chung..............................Henderson.
    ..............Beckerman...Mastroeni............
    ...Rizo..........Fraser...Stewart......Hart....
    .......................Vallow........................
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Moreno will not be ready and he sucks

    Howard
    Leitch Pope Jolley Ziadie
    Wiliams
    Clark DiGiamarino
    Guevera
    Mathis Magee
     
  8. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    what i keep wondering is when we have everyone available, it seems a 3-5-2 is our best formation suitable to the players we have...the only thing that really affects is one thing that everyone the league has been gushing about, and that's the jolley and pope tandem in the middle of our D...we know jolley can play outside, but it might require richie to drop back more and maybe limit clark's freedom to push forward?...i like:

    howard

    leitch pope jolley

    richie clark
    ziadie digi
    guevara

    mathis moreno

    ...and please don't discount colorado, just one week ago crew fans were saying we didnt have a lineup to worry about and look what happened, they certainly have talent on that team and if anything, they have a bunch of guys trying to prove they belong on the starting 11...i think Gamblor's predicted starters for the Bleue is right on
     
  9. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland

    I agree with your lineup. Against someone like Chung, we can't leave Leitch exposed like we did against Columbus. Also, I wasn't putting Colorado down, just stating that, Unlike Columbus (with McBride and Martino), the Rapids don't have anyone dangerous enough to warrant changing a formation specifically to stop them.
     
  10. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    absolutely...to be honest, leitch is OK, but i'm worried about leaving him 1v1 against just about any wing player in MLS right now until he proves otherwise...it's why i'd like to ziadie in front of him, bc ziadie plays 18 to 18 much more than digi (from a defensive standpoint), and that's not a knock on digi...also, jolley's played on the left in the past...maybe i'm still just nervous after leitch misplayed that ball off his chest, but so many guys calmly make that play in their sleep, maybe he'll just gain confidence with more playing time...OR boca I or boca II can help sooner than not...

    Metros 3 (guevara, clark, pope)
    Bleue 2 ( roberts 2)
     
  11. Voice of Reason

    Voice of Reason New Member

    Dec 11, 1998
    With the exception of the Hatt who would have Magee start over Moreno, we all have the same bodies on the field. So I think whether we call it a 3-5-2 or a 4-4-2 is less important than what roles each will play.

    In your lineup, "In Bob", you are relegating Clark to a more defensive role than Ziadie. I think we are better off reversing those. I think Clark can cover the ground in front of Leitch and still enter the attack more frequently. Clark tracks back very aggressively. Digi showed in the last game that he needs a stronger back behind him when he is in midfield, so I went with Ziadie on that side.

    V.O.R.
     
  12. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Only difference I would put is to have Digi at LB and Ziadie at left mid. Digi is a better defender and Ziadie has been known to make defensive mistakes however, he is good at going forward.
     
  13. metrosct

    metrosct New Member

    Feb 17, 2002
    Rowayton, CT
    The Metros will not only have Chung to worry about on the left side, apparently their left back Rizo (from Mexico) does a nice job getting forward as well.

    However, our lineup in Colombus was designed to counter the Crew's speed and attacking potential. Colorado doesn't present the same challenges (more defensive minded) and besides we are playing at home. I look for Bradley to have the guys take the attack to the Rapids.

    Howard
    Ziadie Pope Jolley Digi
    Williams Clark
    Lisi Guevara
    Moreno Mathis

    We'll stick with the 4 backs, however Digi will make his runs forward. Lisi is not on the injured list and might be an option on the right.
     
  14. Goalkeeps7

    Goalkeeps7 Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    Howard
    Zaidie---Pope---Jolley---Leitch
    Clark---Williams
    Digi(wingin it)
    Guevara
    Moreno --- Mathis
     
  15. JerzyRebel

    JerzyRebel New Member

    Sep 18, 2002
    Land of Paulie Walnuts
    -----Mathis---------------------------
    --------------------Magee------------
    ---------Guevara----------------------
    --------------------------Clark--------
    -------------Williams------------------
    DiGiamarino----------------------------
    Ziadie--------------------------Lietch
    -----------Pope--------Jolley----------

    Colorado will get shutdown this weekend. Can't see them winning.
     
  16. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    hey V.O.R....i agree with your post, and i apologize, my post came out different than when i wrote it out...i did not mean for it to be 4 of them in a box, simply clark and richie in the middle, and ziadie and digi playing outside mid...clark is definitely key in many plays in pushing forward so you're right, but as you know, a lot of times it's just situational in who goes up and who stays back, and so i really just meant for the 4 of them playing mid, with guevara between them and our 2 forwards...as for Lisi starting, i'd love to see him turn in to a great player, but he can't seem to crack the starting lineup, and it may take Nat callups for mathis, guevara, and pope for him to get another chance to show what he's got...i do look for bradley to show some more offense at home this time around, so V.O.R...again, i think you're right in it not so much being speculating who's playing, but the roles they play
     
  17. EzeUSAF

    EzeUSAF New Member

    Mar 11, 2003
    NY, OSU
    How sure is everyone that Mathis will play forward this next game?
     
  18. Partizan_fc

    Partizan_fc New Member

    Dec 19, 2002
    New York City
    because bob said so
     
  19. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    Howard
    Leitch
    Pope
    Jolley
    Ziadie
    Clark
    Williams
    Digiamarino
    Guevara
    Mathis
    Magee
     
  20. cmonaco

    cmonaco New Member

    Feb 21, 1999
    Montreal/NYC
    This is what is known as the 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 formation. Leaves us a little thin on the wings, though. :)
     
  21. Metrophenomenal

    Metrophenomenal New Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Seoul+NJ
    mr. COS-MOS has got to go
     
  22. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    take that post somewhere else
     
  23. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard
    Leitch Pope Jolley Ziadie
    Clark Wiliams
    Guevara DiGiamarino
    Mathis Wolyniec


    Leitch had a much better game last Saturday. I just don't know who else can we have instead of him, so I'll go with him for now.

    Wolyniec is a better option as a starter then Magee. He is much stronger and can hold the ball much better. Scoring that one snap of a foot goal doesn't make Mike a starter in my book. Coming off the bench in the second half is a much better option, he does have some skill and speed on the ball, especialy usedful when there will be some tired legs out there.

    Lets hope the rain will hold off or be gone by then, and we can see an improvement in play, hopefuly a good result.
     

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