Yet another backpass scenario.....

Discussion in 'Referee' started by fiddlestick, Sep 22, 2003.

  1. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Defender plays ball back to 'keeper. The ball hits a bad patch as the 'keeper attempts to clear the ball and bounces over his foot as he whiffs. The ball is rolling towards the goal while an attacker and the goalkeeper are both chasing it. The goalkeeper pounces on the ball without it ever touching the attacker.
    IFK at the spot he grabs the ball or play on?






    Yes, it was my whiffed clearance that led to this scenario.
     
  2. BentwoodBlue

    BentwoodBlue New Member

    Sep 20, 2003
    Dela-where?
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    In a black and white world, IFK at spot or 6yd line if in the goal box.
    Funny enough I did not call it my last time out of pitty. Saturday a team was getting spanked and something very simalar happened and I let it go. No sense in allowing the 12th goal across.
     
  3. eltico

    eltico Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    Certainly an IFK from where the goalkeeper touched the ball (or on the six-yard box if the infraction occurred inside it). I think the bigger question is, do you send of the goalkeeper for taking away an obvious goal scoring opportunity? I think you do. He commits a foul that takes away an obvious goal scoring opportunity, so a red card for the goalkeeper is also warranted.

    Is there anyone else who can never remember the damn acronym they use for taking away an obvious goal scoring opportunity? Or is it denying? I hope I don't have to write any of those up until I do...
     
  4. BentwoodBlue

    BentwoodBlue New Member

    Sep 20, 2003
    Dela-where?
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    DGH is Deny Goal Scoring Opp with hand. Ones all others are DGF.

    And the answer I got from a class is no. This is not a red card situation mainly because it is not a penal foul. It is not a goal scoring opportunity becaue it was created by the defence to begin with. It is just one of those random acts of sillyness.
     
  5. law5guy

    law5guy Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    NO red card for Deny Goal Scoring Opp with hand. Remember.. it is LEGAL for the goal keeper to Deny Goal Scoring Opp with hand all day long .... as long as the keeper does it in his own penalty area. :)

    Cheers...


     
  6. eltico

    eltico Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    But in this scenario, an intentional back pass of his teammate's foot, it is NOT legal for him play it with his hand. And it IS a goal scoring opportunity if he handles it to keep the attacking player, who would beat him to the ball if the keeper did not use hus hands, from scoring.

    It's certainly an intriguing question.
     
  7. Statesman

    Statesman New Member

    Sep 16, 2001
    The name says it all
    Although intuitively this might seem to fit the pattern eltico, the goalkeeper is exempt from the handling violation if done within his penalty area. In the LOTG it specifically has a parenthetical note with this exemption in fact.
     
  8. AAGunner3

    AAGunner3 Member

    Feb 14, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No foul...

    It's obvious the keeper was attempting to kick the ball away. Keep whiffs and in order to prevent an easy goal by the attacker, legally handles the ball. Isn't the intent of the rule to deny a team from wasting time using the keeper's special abilities (whiff not included)? I think I'd be inclined to let this go citing spirit of the game.

    ... that is unless the forward was applying pressure to the GK before the whiff. The forward created the situation and then the GK denied him possession by using his hands.
     
  9. jkc313

    jkc313 Member

    Nov 21, 2001
    IFK at spot or 6. No send-off of keeper
     

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