Throw-In - Distance from Touchling for the Thrower

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Footballer, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Footballer

    Footballer New Member

    Feb 12, 2000
    CT
    Hi, just a quick question.

    Recently, I was an AR in a match. The ball went out of touch near where I was in the final 3rd. I kept my focus on the field and positioned myself along the 2nd to last defender.

    What I didn't see was that the ball went out about 10 yards from the touchline. The attacker wanted a quick restart so he threw it from there. Immediately, the defending complained about it being "illegal."

    I know that technically, the ball should be throw in from the point where it left the field - of course given about 1 yard either way. But I want to know does this distance also extend from the touchline AWAY from the field?

    Thanks.
     
  2. intechpc

    intechpc Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    West Bend, WI
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Simply put, yes. From the sounds of what you describe, the throw probably should have been brought back. I'm all for being realistic about throw-ins (in so much as many infractions are trifling) but this sounds like he was pretty far off the pitch and the infraction had enough impact on gameplay to make the call.
     
  3. ref47

    ref47 Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    n. va
    did the throwin being taken from more than 1 yard from the touchline give the throwing team an unfair advantage? yes, retake. no, keep playing.

    the only impact we know of was a single opponent objecting to the location (ref? or previously called-up for doing the same thing?)

    footballer, the ball went INTO touch.
     
  4. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    A throw from 10 yards back is illegal (improperly taken) but the response should be to give the throw to the opponents, not a retake.
     
  5. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Really? Improperly taken, throw it the other way....hmmm...never thought of it that way. Most of the time, if centering, I will just blow the whistle and wave them up, back, down, or where it is supposed to be. But I guess if it happens, it is illegal.

    R
     
  6. Yellowshirt

    Yellowshirt New Member

    Aug 21, 2007
    Law 15

    Throw must be taken within 1 yd from where it went over the touchline. If not the throw in was not properly taken

    For this infringement, the restart is fo rthe oppossing team gets the throw

    There is NO advantage component to a throw-in, the referee cannot apply the advantage clause to the throw in.
     
  7. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I knew the law, I just wanted to know why the throw was being allowed to be taken from there....You see it all the time, teams moving up the field and the referee moves them back BEFORE the throw was taken.
     
  8. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I absolutely agree. If I don't like where a team is throwing in from, I'll make them move back to take/re-take. I've never required a team to move forward, and I've never cost a team the ball for not throwing in from the right spot. My job is to get the game restarted; unless a team gets an unfair advantage from moving farther down the field, it's a play-on.

    As far as the 1 yard goes, I'll start requiring 1 yard when I see MLS, PDL, or other higher level refs require a one yard limitation! :p

    20 years ago, I coached against a referee who required a 1 yard limitation, and we had numerous turnovers from improper spot of our throwins. Sometimes, I couldn't tell if we were too far upfield or downfield - but he could! Later, he became one of the lead instructors, but I haven't seen him make that call since!
     
  9. intechpc

    intechpc Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    West Bend, WI
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a little confused, when did anyone in this thread suggest that a re-throw was in order? IMO, if the throw is taken and you deem it illegal due to distance, you call it back and it's going the other way. However, as a referee you should be managing this before the throw is ever taken.

    In the original scenario, I read it as the throw was taken because the CR didn't manage it and the AR was watching the field no the thrower. The way I understand the description, it sounds as though the illegal throw did gain an advantage as the defenders had a reasonable expectation that the throw would not be coming until he was closer to the pitch.

    So to me the key is manage this situation before the throw is taken. If the throw is taken and it's had a significant impact on gameplay, you've got to call it back and award the throw the other way.
     
  10. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could not find this in LAW 15. I found:

    Procedure
    At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:
    • faces the field of play
    • has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground
    outside the touch line
    • uses both hands
    • delivers the ball from behind and over his head
    The thrower may not touch the ball again until it has touched another
    player.

    And in questions to the LOTG:
    4. Is there a maximum distance away from the touch line from which a
    throw-in may be taken?
    No. A throw-in should be taken from the place where the ball left the
    field of play.

    My reading of the rules and the question indicates that a throwin from the spot where the ball left the field, but 10 yards away from the field is LEGAL!
     
  11. chrisrun

    chrisrun Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking at the ATR we find: (emphasis mine)

    15.1 LOCATION OF THROW-IN
    Although the throw-in is to be taken "from the point where [the ball] crossed the touch line," this requirement is satisfied if the restart occurs within approximately one yard (one meter) of this location, farther upfield or downfield or back from the touch line. A throw-in taken beyond this limit is an infringement of Law 15.

    Technically, as an infringement, the ball should be given to the other team.
     
  12. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    We often give some leaway to the 1 yard rule and the same can be applied to distance from the touchline. 10 yards is extreme in any direction and can only be interpreted as an unfair attempt to put the ball in play before the opponents can react. As pointed out above, this should be managed by watching the thrower and if they are not in the correct spot, whistle and have them move. If the throw is in progress and released before they can react to the whistle, a rethrow is in order because you stopped the play (in your mind) before it was taken. If they ignore your whistle (or any signal from the AR) then you are justified in giving the throw to the opponents.

    In my response above I did not mean we should be looking for reasons to change the direction of the throw-in. Only to prevent any unfair advantage. BTW, to answer question from intechpc, the suggestion of a retake was in the response from ref47.
     
  13. Yellowshirt

    Yellowshirt New Member

    Aug 21, 2007
    Fellas...this is basic stuff...as Chrisrun pointed out

    ATR 15.1 Although the throw in is to be taken "from the point where the ball crossed the touchline" this requirement is satisfied if the restart occurs within approximately one yard (one meter) of this location, farther upfield or dowfield or back from the touchline. A throw in taken beyond this limit is an infringement of Law 15

    15.4.........in the case of an infringement , posession of the restart is given to the opponents and taken at the same location.....

    You cannot take a throwin 10yds from where the ball left the field. Ths is an infringement and posession is given to the opponent

    Simple:D
     
  14. Hattrix

    Hattrix Member

    Sep 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Since when do players have to give the opponents an opportunity to react? If the ball is ten yards out of bounds, they should realize that it is out of play. What I've heard on this at a USSF recert clinic is that if the throw is perpendicular to the touchline, they can take it from outside the stadium, but if it's thrown at an angle, the one (or seven) yard provision is violated, and possession changes.
     
  15. ref47

    ref47 Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    n. va
    location of throwin is clearly set in the atr as cited above. bill allen has covered this in the past and supported the atr. he explained that ifab is often unclear on explaining q&a answers.

    regarding my retake comment. if i am properly controlling the match, i decided the throwin was not being done from the proper spot and that i should direct the proper restart location before the ball was thrown. my whistle just stopped play so that i could tell the team not to take the throw from the incorrect spot and where to move to (if i did not think it was trifling in the first place). that is a retake for me. i decided to fix the problem before the ball was thrown.
     
  16. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I agree with ref47. I am always alert to either team trying to 'game' the throw-in. When it's trifling because of location on the field I let it go, but I know it infuriates coaches who feel they are being taken advantage of. So, I tend to nip it before the throw, and just smile and say move it back, or whatever. The players know what they are doing too.

    R
     
  17. intechpc

    intechpc Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    West Bend, WI
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem isn't that they didn't give the opportunity to react, the problem is that they did something illegal to achieve that situation. If the throw was legally taken quickly giving the opposition no time to react, then all is good. If the throw was taken from a greater distance from the field but doing so did not create an advantage for the throwing team, then we can deem the infringement trifling and continue play. In this case, the fact that the player does something illegal to catch the defense off-guard makes it more than significant and therefore no longer trifling.

    Ref47, as far as determining that you decided to intervene before the throw and calling for the throw to be retaken I have to believe is what most of us would do in that situation. However I think in the situation described here where that management wasn't occurring, it would be a tougher sell. The technically correct answer if the throw is taken before the ref decides to manage the throwers position is awarding a throw to the opposing team.
     
  18. Yellowshirt

    Yellowshirt New Member

    Aug 21, 2007
    OMG!!!:eek::eek:
     
  19. Footballer

    Footballer New Member

    Feb 12, 2000
    CT
    Once again, thanks for addressing my question. The ATR note is the answer I'm looking for. Thanks!
     

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