Pre-match: Portugal vs. Denmark 2010 World Cup Qualifying

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  1. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    it's almost like he's trying to sabotage us.

    We got eliminated when we decided to shit the bed against denmark at home.

    Thats going a bit far.....

    Get off the drugs.
     
  2. Mefisto

    Mefisto Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Århus, Denmark
    two words:
    stockholm bloodbath

    Denmark has NEVER belonged to Sweden- NEVER


    on topic. Portugal played an excellent game but couldnt convert its chances. And that seems to be the case every time I see Portugal play, every touch is perfect except the last touch infront of goal

    Denmark had no luck leading up to the game with all the injuries but i guess we saved it for the actual game.
     
  3. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    People, I know three or four swedish and they claim that the dans would never play for a draw. Even our place to train in Sweden before the match was seen as a motive of teasing by the dan reporters: "When we were playing Portugal, did we trained in Spain?".
    Ally that to statistics and facts that occured between them and denmark not losing at home for a very long time + some key players back.

    It seems to me that most here are disheartened but they also don't want to jynx our chances.

    I still have hope that Sweden will at least draw in Conpenhagen. With that on hold (literally D-Day), the defining moment for me will be the game on wednesday. Portugal need to embarass Hungary and play with the same attitude in Conpenhagen (attention, I said attitute not efficiency) for this to be a true possibility.
     
  4. parkben1

    parkben1 Member

    Feb 18, 2006
    brooklyn
    Portugal are finally in form and I expect an onslaught on wednesday. CQ is taking much deserve abuse from the fans but to his credit he took over a team that seem old and out of form. In Euro 2008 I saw alot of flaws with the national team and CQ did a decent job putting together an entertaining side, but unfortunately it might be too late. I felt his two biggest mistakes in yesterdays game was not starting Liedson and waiting too late to bring in Nani. I can't blame the coach for all those missed goals, that responsibilty should fall on the players shoulders. Portugal played really beautiful football and somehow I feel they will find a way to make it into the World Cup.
     
  5. castanha

    castanha New Member

    Aug 5, 2004
    That was the best game I have seen us play in a long time. I'm satisfied with the performance, but I fear it's too late. Too many poor performances have preceded this one. In any event, I hope we continue to play well because it was very entertaining to watch.

    As far as the supposed penalty in the first half, I only saw one or two replays, but it didn't seem like a penalty to me. Yes, the ball did hit the defenders hand, but his arm and hand were within the confines of his body. Had the ball not hit his hand, it would have hit him in the torso to the same effect. It also didn't appear intentional. I'm not sure what the exact rule is, but it appeared to me that the ball played the defender and not the other way around.
     
  6. IslandBoy

    IslandBoy Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Montreal, Canada
    Have to disagree. That was a clear penalty.
     
  7. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I seen PK calls for hand balls where players backs were turned. The Dane had vision of the ball the whole time and looked like he even made a motion to hit the ball with his hand.

    Regardless what killed us was our player choices at the start of the game and the general lack of confidence that the Soul Sucking QQ brought to this team.

    The players were down all week from their interviews but CQ insisted they were unfazed. His players were down and instead of addressing that with motivation he acted as if they were in great spirit and ignored the problem.

    FIRE HIM NOW. We are already done let's start fresh ASAP becaus I am already concerned about Euro 2012.
     
  8. Omega1alpha

    Omega1alpha Member

    Sep 9, 2007
    Serra das putas
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    The only thing that I can blame the coach for is not fielding the best players on the pitch. He should have gone with two true strikers from the beginning of the match. Other than that, you have to blame the players. We continue to need like 20+ shots to score one goal while our opponents score with less than 3 shots. We miss way too many easy goals. It continues to be a major issue and it's a lack of mental fortitude and luck.

    Well, we can still offer an enjoyable style of play, but we'll never bring home the trophy. We came close in EURO 2004, but we lost twice to a greek squad that played some of the most enjoyable soccer I've ever watched. NOT! You have to field your best players and develop the correct tactics to win with those players. The greeks did it well. Kudos to them. We have no clue. Therefore, time to enjoy the sardines and some good wine and let the players make their millions overseas. I for one, don't give a damn about these clowns. There's more important things to worry about these days.
     
  9. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
  10. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    GoodDead, we must be in the twilight zone, because lately, I think we pretty much have been in agreement on things. Spot on with this post.

    What I find shocking, is other posters, coming here and still, after everything, defending CQ!!!! That boggles my mind, after all these qualifying games, anyone who can defend CQ is out of their minds. This guy is a cancer to the team. Has to be one of the worst managers of all time, and is THE major reason behind the failure to miss out on qualifying. The core of the team is the same team that has qualified for the last two major tournaments. Minus a few retirements. These same players week in and week out perform at the highest level for their clubs. But yet, some people seem to think the majority of the blame is on the players. I'm sorry but no no no no. The problem is the choice of players formations, and tactics of the manager. The lack of motivation, the lack of confidence, comes down to the manager. The choice of playing players out of position. It's a common fact that Ronaldo has struggled playing as a striker, but CQ continues to use him as a striker. Knowing that we had to win this game, not a loss, not a draw, but a win was the only answer. He starts the game with 3 defensive midfielders and has two wingers playing at the top of a 4-4-2 as strikers. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Not even a manager for a sunday pub team would be that stupid. How do you expect to score when you are playing with 5 defenders and 5 midfielders??? All week they trained a 4-4-2 with Liedson and Gomes as the 2 strikers, then come game day he leaves them on the bench. Yesterday good dead you even said even CQ could not be that stupid to do that, and yet he showed us exactly, YES HE IS THAT STUPID. If if was any other person with dignity they would do whats right and step down, and admit they are not capable of doing what needs to be done to get the team qualified. But no, not CQ, his big money contract is more important to him then bringing shame to Portugal. A team like Portugal, with the quality of players to not make it is a disgrace. And its on the head of CQ.
     
  11. JuveleoRules

    JuveleoRules Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Guys...regardless of formations..tactics...player selections...Portugal had numerous chances to score and score often yesterday.

    I've read so much about lack of passion, lack of confidence and that is just utter bullshit. Not one player for Portugal looked scared, defeated or unmotivated. If you could tell they were they you all must be very good mind readers.

    Denmark is a very good team, especially at home. They have quality players, they play very organized, especially on defense. they have an outstanding goal keeper. do you guys actually think we would walk in their and score mulitiple goals? And guess what we should have by all accounts. That shows you that Portugal despite what you are all writing played very well.

    It took one moment of utter brilliance by a very good young player to score vs Portugal. And Portugal fought back, got the draw and still had some other very good chances.

    Some of you just need to take a deep breath and see it for what it was.

    It wasn't tactics, player selection, coaching mistakes, motivation, confidence....it was soccer...

    Let's cheer the team on against Hungary and hope they play just as well and all will be fine....

    Nothing is lost...

    Am I the enternal optimist...sure...but let's relax and enjoy the games we have left if it's indeed the end of qualifying...
     
  12. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    We'll enjoy the agreeing while it lasts.

    Thanks for reminding me that I stated no one would be stupid enough to train all week with two strikers then show up on game day with anything but.

    To the posters saying Portugal were great all I can say is on paper on sheer talent the Danes are no where near us. Besides Bendtner at Striker they have no one that can match up with any of our player and yet as a team they manage to win. So who is to blame? How about the clown that has our team demoralized and out of position all game?

    CQ's biggest problem is he believes he knows better then his own players on where they are most comfortable. If you ask Tiago where he is comfortable he would tell you "Holding Mid" but CQ says no no You are a natural winger even though you are not fast and are defensive.

    Ronaldo stated he is not comfortable up front but CQ forces him into the role a trend that started when he talked SAF into it 3 years ago which added up to a couple of bad games for United where Ronaldo was stifled.

    Someone tell me since when was Simao a striker? Answer: as of Saturday in a must win game...Simao has been very consistent for us but Saturday was his worst game for us and he even managed to choke easy ones. Perhaps being out of position rattled him? No, that can't be it eh Carlos?

    Pepe is a center back but unfortunately CQ watched Euro 2008 and Saw Pepe do a give and go and score a goal and a lightbulb went off in CQ's head..."hey this guy is a natural midfield!"

    What a joke when we have 3 World Class CB's yet still let in goals...maybe the system doesn't work? No, I'm sure it will eventually pay off...not in the next 4 years but soon :rolleyes:

    Portugal have only once ever had a manager that could combine motivation with player choices and tactics and that was at Euro 2000. Scolari's problem was that he made friends and couldn't let go of the 4-2-3-1. Carlos' problem is that he doesn't have a clue how to motivate or what players to put on the field. As much as I couldn't stand Scolari's formation Carlos is just as guilty and only now when he finally changes it manages to screw it up by putting nearly half the team completely out of their positions.

    Portugal played good Saturday? No they did the best with what they had and it wasn't good enough and they couldn't overcome being out of position to make any serious threat at winning.

    To say we beat ourselves is an understatement. Only after we had players in their positions did we threaten constantly and score. I am sick of 80 minutes of Manager bullshit followed by 10 minutes of Portugal desperation. can we just start a game with an attacking formation with all our players in their positions so we can watch 90 minutes of Portugal and not 80 minutes of Portugal vs Carlos Queiroz and Denmark.
     
  13. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    By utter Brilliance do you mean Bruno Alves backing up a step and watching Bendtner have a free go at Eduardo form 10 yards?

    Players were full of confidence? Yeah Simao looked real sharp in front of goal. Denmarks outstanding keeper made 1 good save every shot either went 2 feet over the bar or rolled right to him.

    Do you not see how out of position guys looked? It's cuz they were, out of position.

    All is not lost? Well if we play like this vs Hungary with the same out of position players we will draw. As for 2nd spot Sweden is not going to lose or draw vs Denmark. They will be on a hot streak and fully aware that they need to win and Denmark by then will be as good as in and in no urgency to beat their heated rivals. I think making it to the WC in one piece means more to the Danes then beating their neighbors.

    To be honest even if we win all our games (Highly doubtful) and Sweden loses to the Danes (again doubtful) in a home and home playoff we will lose because CQ will lineup with defense again and we all know (be we I mean everyone but the manager) how well that has worked for us.

    We don't deserve to be at the WC playing like this and rightfully so we won't.
     
  14. SectionX

    SectionX Member

    May 27, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    ronaldo has to shoulder some of the blame. He needs to score here.
     
  15. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    He played well though, generated good chances. The one oppertunity I think he should have scored was when he skyed the shot in the box, and the mad scramble in the box, where Liedson should have scored.
     
  16. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ughh, have you been paying attention to the press all week prior to the game? Have you listened and read the interviews the players gave during the week? Apparently not. Go back and read and listen to the interviews the players gave this week, and we'll see if you say the same thing that the players werent scared or looked defeated. Go back and watch the game and look at the face of anguish on Ronaldo towards the dying minutes of the game, when yet again he failed to score. Even a blind man could see it.



    You are missing the point completely! No one here is denying that Denmark is a good team, so is Sweden. If you are familiar with my posts or even go back and look at my archived posts you will see i was warning people how difficult it would be when the groups were drawn. As good as these two teams are, and the fact that we have had our difficulties in the past with them, we still have better players than both of them. And and it shouldnt come down to us having to beat Denmark to keep our chances alive. We should have had this all wrapped up already. Our failure to qualify didnt come down to this one game. Our failure started one year ago. And it was a string of failures over a series of games that lead to this moment. Not winning games we should have, dropping points we never should have.

    3-2 loss to Denmark when we were winning the game with 10 minutes to go + Two 0-0 draws with Sweden + 0-0 draw with Albania at home + a 6-2 loss in a friendly to Brazil and a 0-0 draw against ESTONIA that did nothing to boost our confidence = FAILURE

    This didnt come down to one game. This all started to happen the moment CQ became manager.


    Yes,as expected it took Denmark to park the bus, hope for one chance and convert that one chance. We knew this coming in. And despite the chances Portugal had, we could not convert any of them. Perhaps, if CQ had made the right choices from the beginning of the game, instead of waiting till the dying minutes, we could have had a different result? Regardless, this team should have never been in this position to begin with. It shouldnt come down to the 4th to last game, to determine a chance to make it into the playoffs!
    Some of you just need to take a deep breath and see it for what it was.

    Sorry, but you are wrong. It was all of those things over a course of 7 games that lead to this moment.

    Yes it is lost, it's been lost for a while now. Listen, its not gonna stop me from cheering on the team, didnt stop me yesterday from watching the game, wearing my shirt, even though I knew it was over. I give you credit for still believing, but its over. It been over for a while now, anyone who knows CQ knows this ending a while ago. A leopard doesnt change his spots. It was gonna take a miracle before the Denmark game. We needed a win, not a draw, a win nothing else would do. Now it's even worse, cause you need not only us to win all our games, you need everything else with the other teams to fall into place. Sweden has Malta, thats a win. Denmark has Albania at home, also a win, that will leave Denmark with 20 pts with 2 games to go, Sweden at home and Hungary at home. Sweden will have 15 with 2 to go, being Denmark away and Albania at home. Now if Portugal wins, we will have 13 with 2 games left, Hungary at home and Malta at home. Now for this to happen, you are gonna need Portugal to win their last 3 games, Hungary obviously to lose their 2 games against us, and draw or win against Denmark. Sweden will beat Malta and Albania, so you need them to lose against Denmark. Yes, this is possible. But Portugal in 7 games have won only twice, and in those 7 games CQ has never gotten any of his decisions right. So what in the world makes you think we will win 3 out of 3 and hope that CQ wakes up and suddenly becomes a genius?

    Enjoy? There was nothing to enjoy about yesterdays game.
     
  17. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I disagree. We dominated possession, yes, but we really didnt do anything with it. We didnt play badly, but dominating possession and not converting our chances does not equal playing well either.
     
  18. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yeah 2 draws against Albania and Estonia are...in one word, for the team we have, unacceptable.

    This case is one very similar to England. Their team was stacked, but they were not punching their weight. The manager made all the difference. The personnel hasn't changed much if at all, yet now they are playing in complete confidence, and strolling through opposition, on their way to South Africa all because of Capello. Its the same situation here...
     
  19. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Exactly! It's the same situation. England is a perfect example of how much a good manager makes a difference on a team's performance.
     
  20. Omega1alpha

    Omega1alpha Member

    Sep 9, 2007
    Serra das putas
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    EURO 2000. Now that brings back some memories. I was in Holland during that tournament and watched a few of the games. We had a hell of a team and Nuno Gomes was on fire. That was a great side and we lost that bs game to France.



     
  21. SectionX

    SectionX Member

    May 27, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    swedens 0-0 against albania was such a poor performance. Should had 2 more points here :mad:
     
  22. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    same here.

    anyways what does 94 million euros buy you these days? a player with 0 goals and 0 assists in world cup qualifying:eek:
     
  23. SectionX

    SectionX Member

    May 27, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    looks like there is a chance that ronaldo, ibra + messi can all miss the world cup :eek:
     
  24. tibullus0

    tibullus0 New Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    sometimes it seems that CQ is doing things on purpose
     
  25. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It almost seems that way. It is so hard to believe that he is this stupid and is coaching a major international team.
     

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