Goals per Game

Discussion in 'Statistics and Analysis' started by beineke, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. beineke

    beineke New Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Lifted from rec.sport soccer...
    League 95-96 96-97 97-98 98-99 99-00 00-01 01-02 02-03
    Bundesliga 2.71 2.98 2.88 2.83 2.80 2.93 2.92 2.68
    Engl. Prem. 2.60 2.55 2.68 2.52 2.78 2.61 2.63 2.63
    France 2.27 2.33 2.36 2.36 2.57 2.51 2.34 2.20
    Holland 3.00 2.82 3.27 3.14 3.26 3.01 2.75 2.76
    La Liga 2.69 2.73 2.65 2.64 2.62 2.88 2.53 2.67
    Serie A 2.66 2.63 2.77 2.76 2.50 2.76 2.63 2.58

    On the broad scale, scoring continues to decline, down 2.6% from 95-96 to 02-03.

    It's also interesting is the fact that France is consistently low-scoring, Holland consistently high-scoring, and Germany a bit higher than the other top leagues. Any thoughts about why?

    EDITED to ask if someone can help put this into a proper table? Thanks.
     
  2. microbrew

    microbrew New Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    NJ
    I plotted the data, and the top three leagues (EPL, Series A, La Liga) have similar plots. A quick and dirty average calculation over all listed years yields, respectively: 2.625, 2.676, 2.661. The other leagues differ more, and they correspond with beineke's observations.

    Interesting, yes. It would be interesting to see France and Holland data compared to other "feeder" leagues.

    My initial question is it the quality of the players, or a prevalent league style? And is either influenced by the player's prevalent place(s) of origin?
     
  3. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country

    League_____95-96 96-97 97-98 98-99 99-00 00-01 01-02 02-03
    Bundesliga_ 2.71__2.98__2.88__2.83__2.80__2.93__2.92__2.68
    Engl. Prem. 2.60__2.55__2.68__2.52__2.78__2.61__2.63__2.63
    France_____ 2.27__2.33__2.36__2.36__2.57__2.51__2.34__2.20
    Holland____ 3.00__2.82__3.27__3.14__3.26__3.01__2.75__2.76
    La Liga____ 2.69__2.73__2.65__2.64__2.62__2.88__2.53__2.67
    Serie A____ 2.66__2.63__2.77__2.76__2.50__2.76__2.63__2.58


    To make a table, use "font=courier" and "/font" tags to force a fixed pitch font.

    The remaining problem is that consecutive space characters will be reduced to a single space. That can be solved either with "code" and "/code" tags, or by using a fill-in character like "_" to eliminate consecutive space characters, which is what I did.
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watch the German and English leagues, so I'll limit my comments to them.

    1. The German league is pretty balanced. There are fewer mismatches, and less bunkering.

    2. Tactics in England vary little from team to team, compared to Germany. All the 4-4-2s in England might lead to a kind of stasis, and fewer chances. OTOH, in Germany, you may have two teams in different formations, which means there are holes to exploit.

    3. Germany and Holland each take 3 weeks off in midseason. I don't think they do that in the other leagues. Just something to think about; I have no idea WHY that would have an effect. In fact, the data from when goals are scored in a match suggest that tired defenders increase goals, so you'd think the 3 weeks off would mean FEWER goals. So maybe it's just coincidence.

    4. Germany doesn't have any American keepers. ;)
     
  5. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    Code:
    [size=2]League	95-96	96-97	97-98	98-99	99-00	00-01	01-02	02-03
    BL	2.71	2.98	2.88	2.83	2.8	2.93	2.92	2.68
    EPL	2.6	2.55	2.68	2.52	2.78	2.61	2.63	2.63
    France	2.27	2.33	2.36	2.36	2.57	2.51	2.34	2.2
    Holland	3	2.82	3.27	3.14	3.26	3.01	2.75	2.76
    Liga	2.69	2.73	2.65	2.64	2.62	2.88	2.53	2.67
    Serie_A	2.66	2.63	2.77	2.76	2.5	2.76	2.63	2.58
    [/size]
    
     
  6. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    I believe the Belgian League had the most goals last year, averaging around 3.3/game. In the case of belgium and Holland, you have a lot of 4, 5 and 6 goal games from the big clubs as they pound the lesser clubs. That probably has something to do with it.

    So far in 2003-2004:

    EPL: 2.85
    Bundesliga: 2.89
    Serie A: 3.22
    La Liga: 2.33
    Scotland: 2.82
    Belgium: 2.46
    France 2.19

    source: gamebookers.com

    I imagine some of those will look quite different within a couple months and certainly by the end of the season.
     
  7. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Justin makes a good point. A good deal of the variation in goals scored might have to do with the big teams in the league beating up on the little teams. You could take that a step further and say that the higher the parity, the lower the goals/game. I've heard la ligue described as the league with the most parity, but I really don't know about the accuracy of this statement. What would be interesting, though, would be historical stats of Scotland (no parity) and Mexico (high parity).
     

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