Our Pals, the Saudis

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Bill Archer, Aug 25, 2002.

  1. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
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    The London Sunday Times, in a copyrighted and password protected story today,says that senior members of the Saudi royal family paid "protection money" totaling at least $300 million to Osama bin-Laden and the Taliban to prevent them from attacking targets in Saudi Arabia, the London Sunday Times reported today.

    The revelation, based on extensive investigations, was contained in papers filed in a US lawsuit by lawyers representing the families of Sept. 11 victims.

    According to the documents, the deal was struck after two secret meetings involving members of the Saudi royal family and al-Qaida leaders, including bin-Laden.

    The cash enabled al-Qaida to fund training camps in Afghanistan that are said to have been attended by the Sept. 11 bombers.

    The court documents reveal that the agreement committed bin- Laden not to use his forces to subvert the Saudi government, while the Saudis agreed to ensure that requests to extradite al- Qaida members and demands to close al-Qaida training camps were not carried out.

    In addition, the Saudis agreed to supply oil and financial assistance to both the Taliban and Pakistan which, the documents report, was worth "several hundred millions" of dollars.

    The Times claims that the princes decided to strike a deal with bin-Laden because they feared that al-Qaida, which opposed the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, would show its displeasure by attempting to destabilize the kingdom.

    The documents say Saudi Arabia's secret service, the Istakhbarat, had decided in late 1995 to fund the Taliban and the initial decision to pay bin-Laden "protection money" was agreed at a meeting of the Saudi princes in 1996.

    According to court documents, those present included Prince Turki al-Faisal al-Saud, then chief of the Istakhbarat, Taliban leaders, senior officers from Pakistan's secret service and bin- Laden.
     
  2. bert patenaude

    Apr 16, 2001
    White Plains, NY


    Our oil dollars at work.
     
  3. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
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    Bill tell me why I'm not the least bit surprised that the Saudi's did this? I'm curious though how this information came to see the light of day. Just goes to show that these groups are the spawn of Satan.
     
  4. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    If this is true, I say we add Saudi Arabia to our hit list.
     
  5. arsenal

    arsenal New Member

    Dec 22, 2000
    southern illinois
    We should tell the Saudis that unless they give us all their oil we will relocate mecca and medina to 1 million different places.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    If the US were a properly functioning democracy, this (assuming it's true) would be the final nail in the coffin of the scheme to invade Iraq in order to protect Saudi Arabia.

    It should be the other way around. We should be asking Saddam for bases there to take out Saudi.
     
  7. Ugluk

    Ugluk New Member

    Nov 15, 1999
    Who said this had anything to do with protecting Saudi Arabia?? I don't know if this report is true, but regardless we need to call a cab and push those whores out the door.
     
  8. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    None of this surprises me. And Saudi Arabia has no responsibility to protect the United States.
     
  9. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    How about we get both of them?
     
  10. Jacen McCullough

    Nov 23, 1998
    Maryland
    How about we pull out of the middle east altogether and let them blow each other to hell? Seriously, that's what the terrorists are all hot and bothered over. They don't like the fact that we have a prescence in Israel and Palestine. They aren't happy about the fact that we stopped them from killing each other, so lets just let them go ahead and blow each other away. I'm sick of all of it.

    JMac
     
  11. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Took the words out of my mouth. The longer Iraq is still a target without proof and the Saudis remain safe, it at least has the appearance that Dubya is settling his Daddy's old scores.
     
  12. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Well, this at the very least indicates that the Saudis funded terrorism. That's been the litmus test (presumably) for the "war on terrorism" - that if you fund terror, etc., you are considered a terrorist and you get put on the list.

    As much as they've tried, after almost a year the Bush administration has been unable to point to any concrete evidence that Iraq has done this.
     
  13. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/001818.html

    By Claire Berlinski, the woman I'm going to marry someday.

    I think she's being facetious - but this is an idea I've long thought should be tried. Stab Saudi in the back, split the proceeds with Saddam. Everybody wins. Except the House of Saud, which is a downside in, like, no way at all.
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    A resurgence of the Bath party would be a good thing for the people of the Middle East, but it would be bad for the US. We need kings and dictators that have no interests in creating strong economies or popular movements.
     
  15. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    [​IMG]

    Damn Loney, you've have much better taste in women than soccer teams or political parties to blindly support. ;)
     
  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
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    I originally figured I'd be the one to bring Camille Paglia back from lesbianism, but Claire is a woman you could spend time with.

    Still not up to Annie Coulter (Oh my, how some of you will howl about THAT one - well tough titties, girls) but that is possibly the best piece I've read in a year.

    "Iraqi–American Peoples' Alliance for Peace" - let's do it.
     
  17. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Her theories are for ************, but she's quite a looker.
     
  18. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
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    To hell with her theories, she's the only person in America who has the guts to say that it's stupid to strip search 80 year old women in airports until 80 year old women start hijacking airplanes.

    And she IS hot.




    "My fellow Saudi Arabians..."

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  19. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
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    More gutsy Ann Coulter quotes:

    "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

    "When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

    "The swing voters--I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster."
     
  20. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    That Ann Coulter 80-year-old woman idea was floated by Bill Maher in late September with regards to him getting frisked by someone who recognized him from TV. He was asking if anybody really thought that he, a "celebrity", would try to blow up a plane.

    Answer: Well, no, but so what? Should we have a special celebrity security line at the airport? And who gets to use it? Paul Newman would count, but would members of Slayer? How about Ron Jeremy? Or Kato Keilin?

    Let's all remember that the #1 terrorist attack on US soil ever was carried out by mostly Saudi citizens. The #2 attack of all time was carried out by a caucasian American, and a decorated Gulf War veteran to boot. So let's just strip-search only and all white guys whenever they get on a plane, right? Right.

    Oh, and #3 (not really carried out on US soil, but Pan Am 103, an American plane bound for NY) was likely blown up by a bomb in the suitcase of a pregnant German woman which the father of her unborn child placed there. So let's strip-search Saudis, white American men, and German women. But that's it. Right?
     
  21. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    I see that Fred appreciates his risotto alla milanese as well as his McFish sandwich.
     
  22. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    CLASSIC.
     
  23. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Only it wouldn't be Saudi. It would be Saddami Arabian, or just Arabian.
     
  24. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
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    I don't know that she EVER said that specifically. It's just her general take. If you really think she's taking ideas from Maher or whatever lunatic assumption you're on about, you need help.

    Ask Maher, since it's him you're quoting. Jesus Christ.

    In other words, part of an organized terror campaign by Muslim Arabs.

    We're talking about airport security here, not nutjobs who drive rental trucks filled with fertilizer. If you're trying to make some oint here, you're not doing much of a job.

    Did McVeigh hijack a plane? Hello?

    But hell, let's just throw in in there anyway. Holy crap what a loon.

    Extremely relevant. We're talking about preventing hijackings here. Or everybody else was. Are you sure your reading comprehension scores are up to snufff?

    Much as I love people who think they've made a pojnt of some kind because they say "right?" afterwards, you are just not able to keep up. When you're out of the seventh grade, stop back.


    The point WAS, and is, that we are under attack from a Muslim Arab conspiracy attempting to disrupt American air travel and American life. Ms Coulter suggests that it is only our political correctness and the inevitable howling about "racial profiling" which forces us to strip search people we cannot logically perceive as being a threat.

    If this causes you to get into an argument with Bill Maher or worry about whether Ron Jeremy can board an aircraft, I really think you need to try harder.
     
  25. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    So if we prevent hijackings but don't stop any other form of terrorism, we're OK then. That's military intelligence logic if there ever was any.

    God I love the ignore list.
     

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