Future All Time Greats

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by usain2010, Aug 6, 2002.

  1. usain2010

    usain2010 New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    To be an all time great, you have to stand the test of time. An all time great is like a legend among legends. Very few players can achieve such when it matlegendary status. Not only must you posess uncanny ability but also perform when it matters. Who will be the next crop of all time greats. Who will people mention from this generation 50 years plus from now... for whenever the game is continued to be played.
    * When you list someone you need to mention their credentials and key performances.

    FW:Ronaldo- 4 goals in World Cup 1998, and 8 goals in World Cup 2002, which is a total of 12 goals in World Cup play so far... amazing goal record in club play apparently according to my calculations Ronaldo has a greater than .8 strike rate average after playing for around a decade in the game... he is unstoppable when his knee doesnt bother him!
    MF: Zidane... will be remembered for his play at WC 98 and Euro 2000... has played for Juventus at their height and plays for Real Madrid who seemingly have been dominating UEFA Champions League play for the past 4 seasons or so... simply the best!
    DF:Maldini- has won everything at club level... has started for milan for as long as i have been alive... has played and started in many world cup games... an amazing defender who just seems almost impossible to get past when he is at his best... However Italy's performance at 2002 world cup could count against him...
     
  2. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
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    This is a tad off topic here. I'll move it to The Beautiful Game board. That's really the place for this discussion.

    Check the FIFA & Tournaments board FAQ or PM me with questions.
     
  3. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    Damien Duff has an outside chance, despite being from an unglamourous country (Ireland).
     
  4. jd2084

    jd2084 New Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I'm not mistaken isn't Duff 22 or 23 years old? Although he does have a chance to be that good, I would pick a different young player - Michael Owen.

    His performances in the big games is legendary:

    Goal in '98 WC
    '01 FA Cup Final
    WC Qualifying vs. Germany
    UEFA Cup
     
  5. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    Yes he is of that age, but Owen is constantly injured, as is Ronaldo. A better choice may be Van Niistlerooy.
     
  6. Leto

    Leto New Member

    Aug 23, 2001
    Donegal,Ireland
    Van Nistelrooy's only had one good season at the very top level (phenomenal scoring record with PSV, but by that going then Henrik Larsson's place in legend is secured). He's definately one of the best strikers in the world right now, but a legend? Not yet.
     
  7. toot86

    toot86 New Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Long John Silver's
    Ronaldo Sucks!@

    Ronaldo isnt the best... He plays with brazil how hard is it going to be to score with brazil.. You got millions of options thrown at you.. To be the best with brazil you have to atleast get 5 goals per game because thats how many chances you get to score ... Its the same with Pele Mostly every forward playing for brazil will get goals its the easiest thing they give you soo much space to shoot.. They midfielders help the forwards soo much that they only have to be in a good position and place kick it good... The goals Ronaldo got werent of high tecnique he was just there at the right time and he hit the ball at the corner..But Ronaldo might be a good forward but he is over hyped.. Christian Veri is much better then him because he plays with Italy wich is the most defensive team ever!
     
  8. BrianCappellieri

    BrianCappellieri Red Card

    Feb 11, 2002
    Another classic Toot post. :D

    Don't you think it means something to make the Brazilian national team? To be considered the best player in the world by many and win awards? To win a World Cup? You're such an idiot Toot.
     
  9. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    If Ronaldo hadn't have had all those injuries, he'd obviously be a much better player than he is now, and would definately be a legend.

    If Beckham reproduced the sort of form in the WC qualifiers (e.g. against Greece) in the WC itself, he could have been considered.

    Shearer did OK in an average England team, and was nothing short of majestic prior to that pre-season knee injury whilst at Newcastle.

    All the above would probably be considered 'very good' players by the time they retire, rather than out-and-out legends like Pele, Moore or Yashin.
     
  10. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    In my opinion, 2 of these three (Zidane and Maldini) already are All-Time greats.

    Sean
     
  11. Dave216J

    Dave216J Member

    Aug 1, 2001
    DC
    How about Kahn? He's won plenty of Bundesliga and German Cup trophies, led his team to a penalty shootout victory over Valencia in the Champions League after single-handedly keeping out Real in the semis, and just got the Golden Ball after personally taking his team to the WC Finals. And he'll probably still be in the nets for WC 06, at home. I think he'll go down as one of the all-time keepers.
     
  12. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    Won't he be like 41 in '06??

    Sean
     
  13. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Re: Re: Future All Time Greats

    agreed
    but its maldini and ronaldo not zidane
     
  14. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    Disagree. As great as Ronaldo is (and I'm not saying is not) I believe that after '06, we will know that he is (or isn't) one of the all-time greats.

    Sean
     
  15. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    Ekelund4life: no, he's either 31, or 33 now, so he should be there, in less Germany discovers a young awesome goalie like Buffon or Casillas, or he drops something like Canizares....Ronaldo, Maldini, and Zidane are already all-time greats. Ronaldo will probably bnreak the record of all-time goals, has been on two WC winning teams, and a runner-up, has two player of the years, a golden ball, and a WC top scorer, as well as being top scorer in Holland, Spain and Brazil.
    Zidane has won two world player of the years, a world cup, a cl, and a euro championship. Platini is considered an all-time great and in my opinion Zidane surpasses Platini.
    Maldini has won so many things don't even know. probably about 3 or 4 Cl's and about five scudetto's, as well as playing about 21 WC matches.
     
  16. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    What about Hans-Jorg Butt (sp) Or Frank Rost (sp)? I wasn't sure on the age, I don't keep up to speed with zee germans, sorry.

    Sean
     
  17. Slash/ED

    Slash/ED New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Dublin
    I'll put two Irish people forward, Dennis Irwin has won more trophys then any united player ever and Fergusson himself says he is his best ever buy and Roy Keane is a legend at Man United and is considered by most of their fans their best player.
     
  18. usain2010

    usain2010 New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    when posting try to have the paradigm of how we will view these players 20-30 years down the road

    an all time great needs to dominate his generation

    therefore zidane, one of the most talented players ever is a legend, but not an all time great... remember there is a difference!

    players like Romario, Maldini, and Baggio could be viewed as all time greats because they dominated their generation

    thats why i think ronaldo will be an all time great as well barring any more injuries...
     
  19. bocatuna

    bocatuna New Member

    Aug 8, 2002
    England
    Using the criteria of how players will viewed in 20-30 yrs time there is no doubt that Owen will be held as an all-time great . He will become England's all time top goal scorer, he will lead the line for Liverpool for the rest of his career and hopeful lead them to a new era of dominance. Though he is injury prone he still played 55 matches last season despite missing all of October. Judging from what he has achieved all ready in his career to date ( THAT goal against Argentina and his hat-trick against Germany) greatness must beckon. The same goes for Beckham (the last minute freekick against Greece).
     
  20. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    Of the players now, basically, Owen, Ronaldo, Kahn, Zidane, and Maldini.
     
  21. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    Also Casillas is a possibility. He has already won a CL, is a goalie, a world cup veteran, and only 20. Plus he plays with Real Madrid, so he is prone to success. If Spain does well in the future (they just won the under 19 championship) he could end up breaking the WC record for games played. Goalies play a long time and he'll probably play in four world cups(which would be five overall)
     
  22. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree on all but Owen. He needs to achieve something great. He has great potential but he is always injured and doesn't always come through in the clutch. Give it 5 more years and maybe he will be an all-time great.

    I would also throw out Rivaldo into the mix. If you mention Zidane you have to mention Rivaldo. And the player you are all forgetting is Raul. He is still young and has already won 3 Champions League trophies. And another player who doesn't get the respect he deserves is Andriy Shevchenko(who is hurt because he is Ukranian and doesn't get to play in the big international tournaments). When Ronaldo was healthy his first two seasons with Inter he still didn't score as many goals as Sheva did with his first two seasons with Milan.
     
  23. Slash/ED

    Slash/ED New Member

    Apr 19, 2002
    Dublin
    How can Owen be considered an all time great when van nistelrooy, Hasslebaink and Henry are all far and away better then him in the premiership alone? and that's just the strikers.

    I still say you have to include Keane, he's considered by Man Us fans their best player of the last 5 years and has led them to every trophy imaginable.
     
  24. usain2010

    usain2010 New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    truth be told, there will probably be one at most 2 players who will be considered all time greats

    remember an all time great is better than being a legend
     
  25. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    I know owen isn't now, but htink about it.....already has scored arguably one of the top five WC goals ever, has over 100 goals in the EPL, 4 goals in WC history, 18 goals for england, has won five trophies with liverpool and is still only 22. He has 10 more years playing top level. By then he'll probably have about 400 goals in the premieship and break lineker's record for goals in WC and the record of england national team goals.... he will become an all-time great atleast in English Football... Raul should too, and Keane....why is an all-time great better than legend....? wouldn't it be the other way around?
     

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